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  • #61
    What do the Jews and the Palestinians have to do with China, the US, Huawei, or Linux? Can you keep your political discussions out of this technology forum please?

    I think Michael should lock this thread now.

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    • #62
      To go back on topic, how do we set the battery threshold with these patches ?

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      • #63
        Originally posted by thebishop View Post
        If America's idiotic and unprincipled trade war makes Linux better, at least we got something out of it.

        And to the guy saying China needs to "steal" to compete: please point me to the nearest US maglev so we can discuss it in person.
        Maybe not US, but the Japanese would strongly argue the point; China has systematic, government-backed theft of anything that will make them a buck. This is fact.

        Not only that, it's almost impossible to determine where the government ends and the corporation starts. Most are run by or controlled by the cronies in the communist party. Their 'stock market' is fiddled, their GDP figures are 'manipulated', their knowledge is acquired through theft, coercion and deceit (on the whole).

        Look at the pathetic car makers who deal with the devil, lose their IP to these Chinese businesses because in order to do business they must partner, which is code for "come exploit our market while we steal your IP, manufacturing know-how and business acumen".

        Chinese hackers (ie, government agencies) spend their entire day breaking into systems to steal information. They seem to have a penchant for stealing naval plans from the US and allies. Why is that? Oh, because their only aircraft carrier other than the new one undergoing sea trial using stolen technology was from the former soviet union. Why buy when you can steal. Perhaps we need the RIAA on their tails...

        However, given all this, capitalist companies do a similar thing by purchasing their competitors, but that would seem to be the honorable thing to do. Pay a price for someone else's knowledge/work.

        Perhaps to the Chinese, theft is just part of doing business. Either way, treat them like thieves.

        On this topic, the UK is looking to ban Huawei from 5G. New Zealand and Canada, Australia have banned them. That's 4 of the 5-eyes security pact. Now the US. Finally.
        Last edited by Bsdisbetter; 24 May 2019, 07:52 PM.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Sonadow View Post

          You find it interesting. As a Chinese reading these I am flat-out outraged.

          The Americans get a free pass on spying on other countries such as Germany and the UK, and yet when China performs security surveillance in their own provinces it suddenly becomes a human rights crime. For the record, the Americans have been spying on the Chinese for decades. They bugged former leader Jiang Zemin's presidential plane, and you have the gall to lecture them about surveillance?

          The Americans get to dictate to other countries how they should be governed if they want to do business with the US, and the Belt and Road program which imposes no such restrictions get more scrutiny than any other investment program in history. Who gave the the Americans the right to interfere in a country's election results and conduct regime changes?

          China is a socialist country, and while many may not always agree with the CCP it has consistently proven itself to have delivered on a formula that allowed China to prosper. The world's oldest surviving civilization believes it has found the most appropriate governance model for itself is supposed to change its way of governance just because one country demands it?

          And now, because Huawei holds a bunch of patents fundamental to the implementation of 5G, the Americans will stop at nothing to make sure Huawei is not allowed to roll out its technology all over the world just because America wants to be the sole provider of 5G technology.
          I've got to say your view of China is pretty lop-sided.

          Why don't you educate yourself on their push into the pacific where they provide 'aid' in the form of concessional loans that have the terms and conditions hidden and where debt financing puts those tiny countries at the behest of their Chinese masters. A tiny country like Vanuatu (look it up) has 1/2 its foreign debt to China - all the while the Chinese have built a massive dock suitable for warships with 'aid'; a wharf that is struggling to be profitable for Vanuatu but is very profitable for China via repayments.

          Nope, their Belt and Road program is more a road to nowhere for any poor country that participates. China is only concerned about China, but they continue to spew out rubbish about being concerned for their neighbors (all the while building up and taking possession of land near their coast, challenging international waters etc etc).

          They are just not as pure of thought, mind and deed as you would have people believe.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by microcode View Post

            I'm not even interested in endorsing the ban, nor endorsing the trade war. I'm just here to say that China is awful, and they behave terribly on the world stage. It should not surprise anyone that some people don't feel like working with the Chinese government.
            Awful for someone, yes. But in the end, how can one be good to everybody with CONFLICTING interests?

            Take Huawei for example. I have said that many Chinese people either love or hate it very much. Their employees, of course benefiting from the company's massive achievements, are mostly enthusiastic about their own company. Those laid off from the company ("Wolf culture" means those not working well enough would be laid off) sometimes become haters. And because Huawei is very aggressive, even when competing with domestic companies, their competitors hate them. That includs ZTE hating Huawei as a whole, a bunch of other chip makers hating HiSilicon, Xiaomi among other phone makers hating Huawei CBG, and so on. And that's not the end of the story. Huawei has long been a hot topic on Chinese social media and forums, thus its lovers and haters being seen fighting everywhere. Other people at first just watch the fight, but given time they often pick one side to believe and join the battlefield. Before the recent US ban both sides have gained tens of millions of supporters fighting everywhere on the internet, including those websites often considered inaccessible for ordinary Chinese people such as twitter. After the ban, however, Huawei suddenly gained a hundred million lovers, because state owned media started promoting it with patriotic propaganda.

            There are both many good and bad stories about China. China is a home for some people, a competitor for some others, and even a criminal for a few. Everyone dealing with China has his own story to tell. Without listening to every side and investigating by himself, one cannot have an objective view of China.
            Last edited by lixiao; 25 May 2019, 07:50 AM. Reason: Add Xiaomi to Huawei hater list.

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            • #66
              , Huawei is developing their own "OS"? Just use AOSP and possibly develop some additional apps/services you need to complement what's already available.
              The problem is that AOSP is intentionally hamstrung and doesn't accecpt pushes from third parties. To really get the polish you'd need, you'd have to fork it regardless.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Bsdisbetter View Post

                I've got to say your view of China is pretty lop-sided.

                Why don't you educate yourself on their push into the pacific where they provide 'aid' in the form of concessional loans that have the terms and conditions hidden and where debt financing puts those tiny countries at the behest of their Chinese masters. A tiny country like Vanuatu (look it up) has 1/2 its foreign debt to China - all the while the Chinese have built a massive dock suitable for warships with 'aid'; a wharf that is struggling to be profitable for Vanuatu but is very profitable for China via repayments.
                And you think that the US starts a trade war with China because of "Vanuatu"? It's a empire, empires are all a bit evil, the question is how much, I mean the US is also evil, illegally is involved in Syria as example Assad did not invite them, or what they do in Venezuela ask there how people like the US, they literally started a siege on them. At least Vanuatu can choose their leaders them self and they can trade with other countries and nobody dies because of a siege.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by blackiwid View Post

                  And you think that the US starts a trade war with China because of "Vanuatu"? It's a empire, empires are all a bit evil, the question is how much, I mean the US is also evil, illegally is involved in Syria as example Assad did not invite them, or what they do in Venezuela ask there how people like the US, they literally started a siege on them. At least Vanuatu can choose their leaders them self and they can trade with other countries and nobody dies because of a siege.
                  Did i say that? Let me answer that for you: NO.
                  I was pointing out to the original author that china is not the benevolent wanna-be empire that he seems to think/say it is. Any other conclusions YOU make are just bogus.

                  But as to your point, Iraq invited the US to kick the scum isis out. The fact that said scum held territory in a scum-bag dictatorship like syria means they can run but not hide. Likewise supporting 'freedom fighters' is important. Of course, YOU can support tin-pot dictatorships like syria and venezuala, but that makes you a person with just a pathological hatred of the usa. No one except the absolute zealot says the usa does everything right or without any self-interest.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by sarmad View Post
                    What do the Jews and the Palestinians have to do with China, the US, Huawei, or Linux? Can you keep your political discussions out of this technology forum please?

                    I think Michael should lock this thread now.
                    Thanks, I agree with you that they are unrelated.
                    I was simply pointing out that blackiwid had no idea what they were talking about about Israel, since their comment was toxic.
                    I did not mean to enter politics ( I do not believe stating facts that I had seen with my own eyes is politics, at least in this specific case).

                    If the thread derails any further, I also think it should be closed.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Bsdisbetter View Post

                      Did i say that? Let me answer that for you: NO.
                      I was pointing out to the original author that china is not the benevolent wanna-be empire that he seems to think/say it is. Any other conclusions YOU make are just bogus.

                      But as to your point, Iraq invited the US to kick the scum isis out. The fact that said scum held territory in a scum-bag dictatorship like syria means they can run but not hide. Likewise supporting 'freedom fighters' is important. Of course, YOU can support tin-pot dictatorships like syria and venezuala, but that makes you a person with just a pathological hatred of the usa. No one except the absolute zealot says the usa does everything right or without any self-interest.
                      You know the definition of dictator? The Venezuelan government is elected, the small rich elite don't like them but in elections not only the rich have a vote but also the poor most poor's prefer the current "dictator" over the person the US elected for them without asking them.

                      Just because the opposition mostly boycotts a election because they can't win makes the winner not a dictator!

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