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  • #21
    Originally posted by hansg View Post
    So, given these numbers, why would any publishers invest money in a Linux version? The effort for porting, testing, packaging, supporting, etc. is surely lots higher than the income from that 0.27%...
    There are many reasons:

    1. not want to be dependend on microsoft, if they desite tomorow that steam is not installable on their next windows version and then taken 20% fee for every game they offer over their shop, you can't do much, porting then afterwards the game is 1000x more expensive then do it from the beginning.
    2. its not that expensive anymore, valve wrote all the tools and in most game engines its just another checkbox to create a additinoal linux version. "packaging" I am not really shure what that means, do you mean making installers? else its all online over steam so no physical packages are needed.

    3. The percentage of users doesnt say much. it only counts how much users use that os, it does not count how much money each of that indivual spend. so if 70% Windows users only buy 1 or even 0 games per year and the linux users on avarage 5 that 0.27% can be worth much much more.

    4. general plattform stats don't say much, per game stats are much much more interesting.

    Lets think about 5 games 4 have no linux support and 1 has linux support right? so the 4 without linux support have 0% linux users the 1 with linux support must then if the number of sales are the same on each game be 1.35% But often the AAA titles have no linux support, so to get to the 0.27% in general such indie games must have 5-20% linux sales to get the avarage 0.27% because most aaa titles have 0% linux users.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gamin..._linux_dota_2/

    I don't buy his numbers especialy the 14% linux marketshare on desktop, he should link how he got to that numbers , he even says himself take it with grains of salt, but argument looks pretty solid.

    And of course even if that is true one free game alone with many linux users doesnt make it a good market for companies automaticly.

    Btw take me. I play 99% of the time one game LoL there is no linux version, so I can't switch to linux (on that gaming-only pc) and why would I, I need a special gaming pc anyway, cause I don't want to mix proprietary software with non proprietary, so even if there would be a linux version of leage of legends I would likely only switch if I would need to reinstall or upgrade windows. Cause never change a running system right?

    But I bought 1 game recent years this Ark Dino survival game. I would not have bought it if it would not have support for linux. (even the support is not that good as far as I understand). Still I added it under windows in steam. So it gets counted as windows user/game, but it would not have sold without linux support.

    So its really hard to messure how much linux support increases your sells.
    Last edited by blackiwid; 12-02-2017, 04:18 AM.

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    • #22
      I personally think the number of Linux gamers are stagnating if not downright declining. I've seen many forum posts on Steam groups and elsewhere about people "giving up" and switching back to Windows due to bugs or lower framerate in game ports that they don't find acceptable.

      Turning Windows into a Linux environment seems to be the best option for me. All PC games work and play with the best performance but I also get an open-source desktop and FLOSS applications.

      Last edited by Xaero_Vincent; 12-02-2017, 04:31 AM.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by birdie View Post

        That's some high level bullshitting or trolling, can't decide which one. *snip*
        Oh that's ever so cute coming from someone who spends his whole time on these forums lying, bullshitting, or trolling.
        Last edited by Luke_Wolf; 12-02-2017, 04:47 AM.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View Post

          Oh that's ever so cute coming from someone who spends his whole time on these forums lying, bullshitting, or trolling.
          I'm not gonna ask where and when I did that because I don't wanna argue with your rampant imagination. I'm one of the few people here on Phoronix forums who actually help make Linux better but clearly some other radical unworldly ideas populate your fevered brain. My condolences. It must be hard living this way.

          I've helped solve numerous issues in the Linux kernel, KDE, Wine, GCC and other projects but what do I know? "I'm a troll, liar and bullshitter". Yeah, right.

          Edit: the ignore list has broken again. I've added you back to it. Enjoy the silence, Luke.
          Last edited by birdie; 12-02-2017, 05:03 AM.

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          • #25
            Is it possible to get RAW CSV data? Like, there's https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/

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            • #26
              Originally posted by perpetually high View Post
              Wow, sometimes I really forget what a minority I am. #WeAreThe0.27Percent
              No. Linux users aren't minority. Most of the Linux users don't even play games, because they're using computer as a tool, not as a toy, and Linux is a great OS for the tool called computer.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by birdie View Post
                Get back down to Earth. You either have no life to use Linux or Linux is a prerequisite for your profession. There are no other use cases for this OS.
                I beg to differ. I have a life, a very good life.

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                • #28
                  This is understandable but sad.
                  One can only hope that now when the hardware support is almost entirely ok for all the gaming hardware, that valve will promote the platform and game developers will port their games. The steam machine idea isn't bad, it just needs some commercial support.

                  On a more general note. The PC as a gaming platform is looking like it is facing bleak future. Kids today are born with iPhones almost welded to their hands and play almost exclusively on gaming consoles. PC's seem outright ancient. The next generation will only know desktop PC's as something their parents would use in the ancient past and laptops as something the Schools is forcing them to use.
                  Last edited by pracedru; 12-02-2017, 06:47 AM.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View Post
                    Oh that's ever so cute coming from someone who spends his whole time on these forums lying, bullshitting, or trolling.
                    Originally posted by birdie View Post

                    I'm not gonna ask where and when I did that
                    You should, it's right there:

                    Originally posted by birdie View Post
                    Get back down to Earth. You either have no life to use Linux or Linux is a prerequisite for your profession. There are no other use cases for this OS.

                    I'm sure as hell most Phoronix readers are either system/network administrators, programmers or they are closely related to IT.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by birdie View Post
                      An Intel WiFi adapter on my Skylake laptop which I bought two (!) fucking years ago is still not supported by Fedora 27(!) because Fedora still doesn't include its firmware which I had to look for, download and install manually. Do you believe the average Joe will want to go though all this bullshit? Do you really believe the average Joe will want to save freaking $100 (a license for Windows 10) only to spend literal days of his life to sieve through all the bugs and problems each Linux distro has?

                      Get back down to Earth. You either have no life to use Linux or Linux is a prerequisite for your profession. There are no other use cases for this OS.

                      I'm sure as hell most Phoronix readers are either system/network administrators, programmers or they are closely related to IT.
                      interesting point when you're trying to defend an OS on which you need to install drivers for every single hardware you own

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