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  • #11
    Originally posted by SpyroRyder View Post
    Did anyone expect any differently. Game devs have been having problems with Catalyst for ages and Mesa isn't at OGL4.3/4.4 yet.
    And OSX does only support OpenGL 4.1 so i can't take that as an valid argument.

    It would be better if we knew exactly what's not working or what extensions that's missing, if not they can always say things like everything but nvidia isn't working even that the support is there.
    If it works with AMD and open source drivers then i will buy this game if not then i will continue to play xcom eu and ew.
    I think that they might say this because AMD isn't supported by steamOS and not because it doesn't work.
    Last edited by Nille_kungen; 03 February 2016, 10:17 AM.

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    • #12
      [QUOTE=chris200x9;n849744]Welp I'm off to cancel my pre-order, kind of bummed to because I got the digital deluxe for $56 on GMG but I cannot support this type of behavior./QUOTE]

      If you want to encourage proper behaviour, stop buying AMD till they manage to come up with solid drivers. You can't blame a developer for not want to jump through a million extra hoops to support a driver just because it's free software.

      Originally posted by Creak View Post
      It's a bit of a click bait. It's not that it won't work on AMD GPUs, it's just that it's not supported.
      They probably don't want the support headaches that come with AMD's drivers.

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      • #13
        For those curious, I will be trying out the game on RadeonSI (F23), and with Catalyst (Ubuntu) on an R9 290. Will report back with my findings via an article
        All opinions are my own not those of my employer if you know who they are.

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        • #14
          I hope that there will be an demo so i can test if it works.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by bug77 View Post
            If you want to encourage proper behaviour, stop buying AMD till they manage to come up with solid drivers. You can't blame a developer for not want to jump through a million extra hoops to support a driver just because it's free software.

            They probably don't want the support headaches that come with AMD's drivers.
            Depends on what your goal is. If it is "only" linux gaming, then what you say is good enough.
            For me, the goal is supported FLOSS drivers, so supporting AMD is actually the only option (intel gaming is a joke). I then refuse to buy games not supported on FLOSS drivers. (Actually I refuse Steam altogether, but that's another story).
            Not trying to convince you, saying you're wrong or anything, just trying to emphasize that there might be different criteria for different people.

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            • #16
              [QUOTE=bug77;n849753]
              Originally posted by chris200x9 View Post
              Welp I'm off to cancel my pre-order, kind of bummed to because I got the digital deluxe for $56 on GMG but I cannot support this type of behavior./QUOTE]

              If you want to encourage proper behaviour, stop buying AMD till they manage to come up with solid drivers. You can't blame a developer for not want to jump through a million extra hoops to support a driver just because it's free software.



              They probably don't want the support headaches that come with AMD's drivers.
              Wasn't it a big thing a while ago how AMD's drivers are actually more stringent and that's why they are worse? So wouldn't stop buying Nvidia be a better answer to encouraging "proper" behavior? Also AMD cards are supported on mac which leads me to beleive the OGL path is fine and Feral is just being lazy with linux.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Serafean View Post

                Depends on what your goal is. If it is "only" linux gaming, then what you say is good enough.
                For me, the goal is supported FLOSS drivers, so supporting AMD is actually the only option (intel gaming is a joke). I then refuse to buy games not supported on FLOSS drivers. (Actually I refuse Steam altogether, but that's another story).
                Not trying to convince you, saying you're wrong or anything, just trying to emphasize that there might be different criteria for different people.
                Yep, to each their own. I was just saying, it doesn't seem fair to punish a developer for not supporting drivers that are hard to support. To me it seems more fair to punish the manufacturer into coming up with up-to-par drivers.

                Originally posted by bug77 View Post

                Wasn't it a big thing a while ago how AMD's drivers are actually more stringent and that's why they are worse? So wouldn't stop buying Nvidia be a better answer to encouraging "proper" behavior? Also AMD cards are supported on mac which leads me to beleive the OGL path is fine and Feral is just being lazy with linux.
                Yes, that's a big part, too. Nvidia has profiles for like every title. The open AMD driver doesn't and it won't have anytime soon. Since no one expects Catalyst on Windows to ship without proper profiles, I don't know why AMDGPU would be allowed to do it just because it's open.
                Last edited by bug77; 03 February 2016, 10:37 AM.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by bug77 View Post
                  Yep, to each their own. I was just saying, it doesn't seem fair to punish a developer for not supporting drivers that are hard to support. To me it seems more fair to punish the manufacturer into coming up with up-to-par drivers.
                  This is where you might not be hearing what others are saying. You are basically saying "don't buy AMD until they accurately emulate the undocumented out-of-spec API usage that NVidia drivers allow, so that games developed only on NVidia will always work on AMD with zero effort even if the app does not follow the OpenGL spec".

                  I'm not sure that's what you really want, unless you work for NVidia.
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                  • #19
                    Why do they let Feral butcher these games? VP would do it cheaper, and it would perform better.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by bridgman View Post

                      This is where you might not be hearing what others are saying. You are basically saying "don't buy AMD until they accurately emulate the undocumented out-of-spec API usage that NVidia drivers allow, so that games developed only on NVidia will always work on AMD with zero effort even if the app does not follow the OpenGL spec".

                      I'm not sure that's what you really want, unless you work for NVidia.
                      You know very well this not all about "undocumented out-of-spec API", but also about sub-par OpenGL performance.
                      What I'm saying when I buy Nvidia is that I don't care about internal implementation details or whether open software is better than closed (I know that it is). I care about working products first and foremost. I've been told time and again that Nvidia is evil because it's closed and non-standard, yet time and again titles released for Linux exclusively work with Nvidia's blobs. And yes, if their out-of-spec APIs really make it that mush easier to work with their hardware, AMD should copy those too.

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