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Are The Open-Source Graphics Drivers Good Enough For Steam Linux Gaming?
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Truthfully, the answer here would be: Depends on your needs. Because mesa11.1 with kernel 4.3 is good enough for me, currently. I have an HD 7850 and a (relatively) slim wallet and am consequently quite accepting of not having bleeding-edge performance on all the latest, most demanding titles. Victor Vran/Witcher 2/Trine 1&2 perform quite well, and I'm far from done enjoying them. Alien:Isolation/Shadow of Mordor/Ark: Survival Evolved may not even boot, so if that's your kind of thing, Open-Source is a no-go indeed.
Maybe the question isn't legit. Maybe it should be: how far can the Open-Source drivers push?
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Originally posted by plonoma View PostThere might be another exponential algorithm at play in Windows Update.
Making your computer slower with each update.
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Originally posted by F1esDgSdUTYpm0iy View PostAMD. And it's not just the graphics performance that feels weaker in Windows for me; it's the whole thing. Booting is substantially slower, file performance is drastically slower (NTFS' performance really seems to decay quite hard after some time, not entirely sure why, part is fragmentation but I suspect something else is going on there as well) but, CPU performance as well seems to be weaker. Something about Windows' scheduler or something along those lines; my own C# password manager's performance is 50% - 100% better in Linux than in Windows (which is its native platform, given the fact it's C# but, still, it is faster in Linux). I have other such examples as well of software simply performing better in Linux; chess engines for example.
Last but certainly not least, Linux gave me the ability to cherry pick the kernel and the scaling governor in play. Giving me far more control over things like latency and throughput than I would have in Windows. The Liquorix kernel, for example, seems to play really nice with Wine Staging with CSMT enabled. Some minor tweaks to the exact settings of the ondemand governor and I'm looking at a machine that does not feel like it's lacking punch at all (which it obviously is, AMD does indeed leave their APUs wanting in CPU punch).
Making your computer slower with each update.
Exponential algorithm making Windows XP miserable could be fixed
A decade of patches makes svchost.exe a very sad boy indeed.
http://arstechnica.com/information-t...ould-be-fixed/
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Originally posted by F1esDgSdUTYpm0iy View PostWhereas it's obvious you're just trolling, I would like to respond to this remark -- For this particular machine I am using right now, without discrete GPU, Windows is the invalid platform for games. I tried, it won't let me play them properly. Too much overhead from the OS. Switched to Linux and Wine and suddenly, I'm able to play D3, HOTS and other (semi-)modern titles without too much of a hassle. On the OSS drivers no less.
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Originally posted by << ⚛ >> View PostThe relevant source code is in mesa-11.0.4/src/gallium/auxiliary/hud. It would be possible to add file output there.
But there's a lot missing for a proper solution.
I was hoping that this discussion might not only yield input for gallium_hud, but also output of the values: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archive...er/098544.html
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Originally posted by F1esDgSdUTYpm0iy View PostAMD. And it's not just the graphics performance that feels weaker in Windows for me; it's the whole thing. Booting is substantially slower, file performance is drastically slower (NTFS' performance really seems to decay quite hard after some time, not entirely sure why, part is fragmentation but I suspect something else is going on there as well) but, CPU performance as well seems to be weaker. Something about Windows' scheduler or something along those lines; my own C# password manager's performance is 50% - 100% better in Linux than in Windows (which is its native platform, given the fact it's C# but, still, it is faster in Linux). I have other such examples as well of software simply performing better in Linux; chess engines for example.
Last but certainly not least, Linux gave me the ability to cherry pick the kernel and the scaling governor in play. Giving me far more control over things like latency and throughput than I would have in Windows. The Liquorix kernel, for example, seems to play really nice with Wine Staging with CSMT enabled. Some minor tweaks to the exact settings of the ondemand governor and I'm looking at a machine that does not feel like it's lacking punch at all (which it obviously is, AMD does indeed leave their APUs wanting in CPU punch).
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Originally posted by gamerk2 View PostIntel or AMD? Intel's Windows driver is very poor in particular, especially on the OpenGL side. AMD simply suffers from a weak CPU. OS overhead should be minimal, especially in fullscreen, unless you are loosing performance in driver-land.
Last but certainly not least, Linux gave me the ability to cherry pick the kernel and the scaling governor in play. Giving me far more control over things like latency and throughput than I would have in Windows. The Liquorix kernel, for example, seems to play really nice with Wine Staging with CSMT enabled. Some minor tweaks to the exact settings of the ondemand governor and I'm looking at a machine that does not feel like it's lacking punch at all (which it obviously is, AMD does indeed leave their APUs wanting in CPU punch).
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Originally posted by pal666 View Postthat is impossible, there are too many games
in reality it is the other way around: you can play all your games on mesa
for example, my son uses windows and plays almost every day for many years. but he almost exclusively plays dota, cs and tf. and(surprise) they all can be nicely played on mesa since like forever[/FONT][/COLOR]
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If you want to play all new Linux games on launch-day
that is impossible, there are too many games
in reality it is the other way around: you can play all your games on mesa
for example, my son uses windows and plays almost every day for many years. but he almost exclusively plays dota, cs and tf. and(surprise) they all can be nicely played on mesa since like forever
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