Unvanquished Begins Landing C++11 Engine Rewrite

[ciplogic]

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/e.../msg00518.html

C++ is a badly designed language, but C++ avoids many pitfalls of C by being a bit stronger type, generics and STL, and given code styles it can lead to a bit verbose yet strict and nice code.

[Annabel]

C++ is a badly designed and ugly language. It would be a shame
to use it in Emacs.

The reason the GCC developers wanted to use it is for destructors
and generics. These aren't much use in Emacs, which has GC and in
which data types are handled at the Lisp level.

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2010-07/msg00518.html

[JS987]

Migrating GCC to C++ as implementation language:

C++ is a standardized, well known, popular language.
C++ is nearly a superset of C90 used in GCC.
The C subset of C++ is just as efficient as C.
C++ supports cleaner code in several significant cases.
C++ makes it easier to write and enforce cleaner interfaces.
C++ never requires uglier code.
C++ is not a panacea but it is an improvement.

http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/cxx-conversion

[Annabel]

> not getting the xkcd reference

>le meme arrows

And as we all know, EMACS is written in BASH. It's what God uses. He told me so himself.

Bash is written in GNU Make

Otherwise they would use the best choice: Python, obviously.

Python sucks, the best choice would be a pure declarative, functional logic programming language like Mercury

C++ is a safer language, is backward compatible

C++ is not really more safe than C
Backward compatible? just nope

modern c++ is a lot easier language than c

Hahaha

Because you can write C in C++

Not really

[Daktyl198]

And as we all know, EMACS is written in BASH. It's what God uses. He told me so himself.

> not getting the xkcd reference

[Larian]

Of course, there's an EMACS command for that.

And as we all know, EMACS is written in BASH. It's what God uses. He told me so himself.

[Daktyl198]

Real programmers use butterflies.

Of course, there's an EMACS command for that.

[ciplogic]

Python is slow compared to binary compiled source code. That's not suitable for this king of project, which every frame is crutial.

C++11 is less obfuscated than older C++ and C. I think it's a really good choice for a game.

Python is not suitable for this "king" of project where every frame is "crutial" as much as there are solutions to overcome it (like Cython, ShedSkin, PyPy, etc.). Anyway, the idea was that people that contribute have something to say about the language to work with... people that don't, they shouldn't.

[mrugiero]

I guess that's because of flaky compiler support, specially MSVC.

That's probably a big reason, too. MSVC doesn't even support the full C99 spec, at least until 2012 inclusive (that's the newest one I tried, and it gave errors when trying to build a project using some C99 features). I doubt that got fixed for 2013, let alone supporting C11.

Pfft, real men write the binary themselves. Amateurs.

Real programmers use butterflies.

[gufide]

I think is all related with their experience of C++. Otherwise they would use the best choice: Python, obviously.

Python is slow compared to binary compiled source code. That's not suitable for this king of project, which every frame is crutial.

C++11 is less obfuscated than older C++ and C. I think it's a really good choice for a game.