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  • #61
    Originally posted by BO$$
    For Valve this has been a failed experiment. The return on investment just isn't there. Porting everything to Linux doesn't bring enough value to justify it. It is important for other companies to learn from the mistakes of Valve and not bring their applications to Linux because there isn't enough market share to recoup the money. Everybody should just use Windows and those who are hellbent on using Linux should have another partition running windows in order to play their games. That is the only sane solution. It also goes on to show what most people already know but Linux hardcore fanbois would never admit: Windows > Linux.

    Windows is made by a company who hires professional programmers and fires them when they don't perform. Linux is just a little toy created by guys who are learning the basics of programming and try to hone their skills before making the jump to real professional grade work. You can argue as much as you want but the truth is that in 2013 Linux still has issues when it comes to basic things like video drivers. Windows has already found the solution to those issues 20 years ago. If Bill Gates was at the helm of Linux everybody in the Linux world would have been fired for gross incompetence. Linux is similar to what a 747 would have looked like if Boeing would have hired 5 year old kids in order to build it. It's so amateurishly designed it continuously falls apart and never reaches a place where it's actually usable. They patch a hole here but open another one some place else.

    Hopefully the mistake didn't cost Valve too much since I think they make great games and wouldn't want them to go under.
    It's a catch 22 dude... If you don't like that then, oh well?

    Clearly this isnt the forum you should be replying to.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by BO$$
      For Valve this has been a failed experiment. The return on investment just isn't there. Porting everything to Linux doesn't bring enough value to justify it. It is important for other companies to learn from the mistakes of Valve and not bring their applications to Linux because there isn't enough market share to recoup the money. Everybody should just use Windows and those who are hellbent on using Linux should have another partition running windows in order to play their games. That is the only sane solution. It also goes on to show what most people already know but Linux hardcore fanbois would never admit: Windows > Linux.

      Windows is made by a company who hires professional programmers and fires them when they don't perform. Linux is just a little toy created by guys who are learning the basics of programming and try to hone their skills before making the jump to real professional grade work. You can argue as much as you want but the truth is that in 2013 Linux still has issues when it comes to basic things like video drivers. Windows has already found the solution to those issues 20 years ago. If Bill Gates was at the helm of Linux everybody in the Linux world would have been fired for gross incompetence. Linux is similar to what a 747 would have looked like if Boeing would have hired 5 year old kids in order to build it. It's so amateurishly designed it continuously falls apart and never reaches a place where it's actually usable. They patch a hole here but open another one some place else.

      Hopefully the mistake didn't cost Valve too much since I think they make great games and wouldn't want them to go under.
      Well well well, the troll is back!

      Weren't you gathering your toys and leaving forever, bozley? You already got everyone's hopes up...

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      • #63
        Originally posted by BO$$
        For Valve this has been a failed experiment. The return on investment just isn't there. Porting everything to Linux doesn't bring enough value to justify it. It is important for other companies to learn from the mistakes of Valve and not bring their applications to Linux because there isn't enough market share to recoup the money. Everybody should just use Windows and those who are hellbent on using Linux should have another partition running windows in order to play their games. That is the only sane solution. It also goes on to show what most people already know but Linux hardcore fanbois would never admit: Windows > Linux.

        Windows is made by a company who hires professional programmers and fires them when they don't perform. Linux is just a little toy created by guys who are learning the basics of programming and try to hone their skills before making the jump to real professional grade work. You can argue as much as you want but the truth is that in 2013 Linux still has issues when it comes to basic things like video drivers. Windows has already found the solution to those issues 20 years ago. If Bill Gates was at the helm of Linux everybody in the Linux world would have been fired for gross incompetence. Linux is similar to what a 747 would have looked like if Boeing would have hired 5 year old kids in order to build it. It's so amateurishly designed it continuously falls apart and never reaches a place where it's actually usable. They patch a hole here but open another one some place else.

        Hopefully the mistake didn't cost Valve too much since I think they make great games and wouldn't want them to go under.
        *yawn*

        "Your message has to be longer than 10 characters".

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        • #64
          Just got the survey. Running kubuntu 13.04 on my little dell d630 laptop.
          Here is what the results look like. I took a snapshot.

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          • #65
            The survey is a monthly snapshot. No need to do a screenshot.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by BO$$
              For Valve this has been a failed experiment. The return on investment just isn't there. Porting everything to Linux doesn't bring enough value to justify it. It is important for other companies to learn from the mistakes of Valve and not bring their applications to Linux because there isn't enough market share to recoup the money. Everybody should just use Windows and those who are hellbent on using Linux should have another partition running windows in order to play their games. That is the only sane solution. It also goes on to show what most people already know but Linux hardcore fanbois would never admit: Windows > Linux.

              Windows is made by a company who hires professional programmers and fires them when they don't perform. Linux is just a little toy created by guys who are learning the basics of programming and try to hone their skills before making the jump to real professional grade work. You can argue as much as you want but the truth is that in 2013 Linux still has issues when it comes to basic things like video drivers. Windows has already found the solution to those issues 20 years ago. If Bill Gates was at the helm of Linux everybody in the Linux world would have been fired for gross incompetence. Linux is similar to what a 747 would have looked like if Boeing would have hired 5 year old kids in order to build it. It's so amateurishly designed it continuously falls apart and never reaches a place where it's actually usable. They patch a hole here but open another one some place else.

              Hopefully the mistake didn't cost Valve too much since I think they make great games and wouldn't want them to go under.
              Thank you for making my smile.

              Now tell me that you were serious and I laugh even harder.

              And btw never again use google, because they use an os build by kids.
              This same os is used for the supercomputers.

              windows > Linux only on the desktop, and only in quantity.

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              • #67
                About market share: yes, this is in important measure, a very important measure to be more exact. Then again, there's one other side to the medal: some markets tend to be under heavy competition. In such situations it is - indeed - more profitable to aim for niche markets as you can sell your product there more easily, due to reduced competition.
                Then again, this numbers are very, very small and I fear that Linux desktops might soon be where they were a year ago when it comes to gaming: non existent.

                Then again, the guy who posted "Windows > Linux" is still a troll as Windows won't make it either. Windows is only leading in one single market: desktops. While they're indeed important and will stay for a while consoles, smartphones, tablets, etc... are the future and Windows is nearly non existent on those platforms. Additionally Windows is very weak on servers and embedded devices. So one might argue that Windows is superior on the desktop but in the same moment you would've to admit that it's the other way round on every other platform.

                *BSD is a strong platform, too, just not on the desktop.

                So, yeah, Linux might not make it on the desktop but it's everywhere else. Windows is only on the desktop, a market that is becoming smaller and smaller. In other words: Windows is the leader on a dying platform, while other systems like *BSD (MacOS/iOS) and Linux (Android, Bada, etc...) are leaders on platforms with exponential growth rates.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Gps4l View Post
                  Thank you for making my smile.

                  Now tell me that you were serious and I laugh even harder.

                  And btw never again use google, because they use an os build by kids.
                  This same os is used for the supercomputers.

                  windows > Linux only on the desktop, and only in quantity.
                  He can stop watching moves as well. 90% of all Linux issues comes down to missing driver support from the vendors because they only cater to the giant already sitting on the market.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by dee. View Post
                    Learning to use Linux? Please, what learning does an average user need to do? Launching programs, using firefox and moving files around works just the same on an average Linux distro as it does on windows
                    From experience with such a rollout.. no.

                    This is yet another variation of the 80/20 rule. Yes, 80% of it is as easy or easier than with Windows. It's that other 20% that kills you.

                    Take the movement to Web apps which removes the need to be picky about OS. Sure, a large percentage of all our computing time is on the Web. An over-enthusiastic estimate might even say 99%. The mistake is assuming that means that 99% of people only use the Web. While there certainly are people who only use the Web, it's more accurate to say that every individual does 99% of their work on the Web. If you assume only 1% of users need special stuff that limits them to Windows, it's easy to think Linux is ready to take over. Once you realize that every person has some small portion of things they do that require Windows, it's easy to see why Linux never has taken over outside of its niches (servers) and Linux-kernel-based custom OSes (Android) that have almost nothing in common with your beloved distro of choice.

                    Or, Intel could bring to market ultrabooks that run Tizen OS. There was already a demo of a ultrabook running Tizen OS with modified gnome shell, running Steam. If this happens, it'll probably do considerably more to grow the Linux marketshare than Canonical ever did.
                    Which would go about as well as the Surface RTs/Pros, except probably worse.

                    I like to (almost) joke that everything Microsoft does with Windows, Linux desktops did first. Windows 8 is largely based around a highly more polished and functional concept originated in GNOME 3. Compiz beat Vista to the punch on composited desktops. Windows service minimalism followed Linux distro's service minimalism. etc. There really is nothing that Tizen or any other Linux-based desktop OS does _better_ than Windows, they only do things _before_ Windows. Consumers will generally want the more polished and functional iterations from Microsoft assuming they want the idea at all.

                    Tablets that pretend to be desktops are one of the area the market just never accepted. Users who _create_ content want multiple high-resolutions displays, keyboards, mice, and computing power far beyond what a mobile package can offer. Users who just want to _consume_ content want a highly simplified experience without all the complexities of Windows or a typical Linux distro; they want iOS or Android or something along those lines.

                    Tizen is a product in search of a market that has never existed. So is Windows 8. So is Chromium OS. Mozilla OS. etc. The idea of one unifying OS to rule everything has not panned out. Even in the Linux world, Ubuntu or the like is not used by any real cross section of the market for anything but hobbyist desktop OSes. HPC uses specialized Linux distributions. Large-scale server farms use RHEL. Mobile devices use Android.

                    Linux-the-kernel is highly successful; Linux-the-OS is a mess.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
                      No support for CrossFire, SLI, Lucid
                      No support for userspace core / multiplier overclocking
                      No support for the standard benchmarking tools (SuperPi, Futuremark, Furmark, IOMeter, HDBurn, etc etc)
                      Too many cobbled-on parts to track when updating official drivers (driver depends on X version of kernel and an older version of xserver which depends Z version of some other package which, more often than not, is totally not present in the repositories) unlike OS X and Windows; install 1 x driver EXE regardless of Windows version and that's it. Look at Haswell for Windows; just 1 driver package needed vs new kernel + new Mesa + new xserver needed just for full Linux Haswell support.
                      ...and so on and so forth.
                      Overclocking for me is done in the BIOS anyway.
                      Synthetic benchmarking tools aren't very useful for gamers, or for anything really. Best to use real applications.

                      As for all the stuff needed to get working, that's something I hope will get easier in the future. There really isn't an automated drive install by both Nvidia and AMD. The open source drivers are even worse to get updated and working.

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