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Originally posted by gamerk2 View PostOnly a couple hundred times. Not that big a deal.
Plenty of times. Usually, its a BIOS setting or bad RAM stick, both easy to diagnose and fix.
The good thing about spending most of my time on Linux is that I no longer have to try to help people fix that, I can just say 'I don't know anything about Windows any more'.
Not really. Sure, you can make Windows run like crap by installing every piece of malware under the sun, but hey, thats true for any OS. And I've yet to see a piece of malware actually cause a BSOD in the NT 6.1 (Vista/7/8) Kernel.
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Originally posted by movieman View PostHave you ever tried to install Windows on a new PC?
Have you ever dealt with non-techie Windows users whose system is broken?
The only reason you can say that is because OEMs ship systems with Windows pre-installed. If they shipped systems with Linux pre-installed, they'd be no different. And it only takes a few clicks for a non-techie Windows user to trash their system installing random crap from the Internet... yes, you must have Happy Fluffy Kitty Screen Saver right now!
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Originally posted by cjcox View PostValve doesn't understand (many things).
I'm a long time user of Steam... STRICTLY on Linux. And I'm not alone. Valve doesn't get it though. Steam has worked well with Wine for many many years (YEARS!).
I purchased a Steam Valve bundle so I could play HL2, and HL.
With that said I was pleasantly surprised to see all my settings inside of native Steam for Linux... including my purchased games (again... please take note Valve... I do NOT use Windows).
And with that said, HL2 and friends look great under native Steam. If I have any gripes is that Valve now believes that Linux == Ubuntu. And with that said, I use native Steam under openSUSE.... but some of the Linux games don't work unless you use Ubuntu (but most of them work).
And finally, if this wasn't obvious... to Valve.. usage == "you are paying us on a regular basis for games"... and frankly, there's just way too many "free" offerings out there.
But if you have some cash, feel free to send Valve some love for at least trying.... but I don't necessarily expect it to continue long term... because they just don't get it...
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Originally posted by phoronix View PostPhoronix: Steam Linux Usage Still On The Decline
With Valve's very well known "Steam Hardware Survey", after showing some promising Linux statistics at first, last month indicated that the Linux adoption of the game distribution software was stagnate or on the decline. The April figures for the Steam hardware survey are now public and they indicate further losses for Linux gamers...
http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTM2Mjg
I'm a long time user of Steam... STRICTLY on Linux. And I'm not alone. Valve doesn't get it though. Steam has worked well with Wine for many many years (YEARS!).
I purchased a Steam Valve bundle so I could play HL2, and HL.
With that said I was pleasantly surprised to see all my settings inside of native Steam for Linux... including my purchased games (again... please take note Valve... I do NOT use Windows).
And with that said, HL2 and friends look great under native Steam. If I have any gripes is that Valve now believes that Linux == Ubuntu. And with that said, I use native Steam under openSUSE.... but some of the Linux games don't work unless you use Ubuntu (but most of them work).
And finally, if this wasn't obvious... to Valve.. usage == "you are paying us on a regular basis for games"... and frankly, there's just way too many "free" offerings out there.
But if you have some cash, feel free to send Valve some love for at least trying.... but I don't necessarily expect it to continue long term... because they just don't get it...
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Originally posted by gamerk2 View PostBut the issue here is that Value can not implement such a system unless EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE PUBLISHERS ON STEAM AGREE. Which will not happen. [Seriously, put any 100 people in a room and try and find unanimous consensus on anything]
Have you ever tried to install Windows on a new PC?
Have you ever dealt with non-techie Windows users whose system is broken?
The only reason you can say that is because OEMs ship systems with Windows pre-installed. If they shipped systems with Linux pre-installed, they'd be no different. And it only takes a few clicks for a non-techie Windows user to trash their system installing random crap from the Internet... yes, you must have Happy Fluffy Kitty Screen Saver right now!
As for Linux gaming, the problem is that most of us who have Linux systems also have Windows systems for games, so we're unlikely to switch. I installed Linux Steam on my netbook, but it can't run many of the Linux games I own because it's so low-powered.Last edited by Cyber Killer; 16 May 2013, 11:25 PM.
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Originally posted by gamerk2 View PostThats the reason Windows is so successful: Out of the box, it works.
Have you ever dealt with non-techie Windows users whose system is broken?
The only reason you can say that is because OEMs ship systems with Windows pre-installed. If they shipped systems with Linux pre-installed, they'd be no different. And it only takes a few clicks for a non-techie Windows user to trash their system installing random crap from the Internet... yes, you must have Happy Fluffy Kitty Screen Saver right now!
As for Linux gaming, the problem is that most of us who have Linux systems also have Windows systems for games, so we're unlikely to switch. I installed Linux Steam on my netbook, but it can't run many of the Linux games I own because it's so low-powered.
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Originally posted by ownagefool View PostSigh. It has nothing to do with this. If you were to tell gamers that they could get another OS for free, that'd run their games fine, and offer a decent experience, they'd probably be happy to switch. The problem isn't that everyones sold on windows, the problem is the *nix experience isn't great.
Our DEs aren't that great, and the defaults setups they seem to come in don't make sense. Sure, I can tweak mine, but your average gamer has no interest in this.
Driver issues still semi suck. Maybe everything will work, maybe it won't, but you don't have an easy to install disk when it doesn't.
The games and apps aren't there yet.
Sound can be fiddily, though it's been getting better.
All these issues are being worked on and I'm confident that everything besides the de's will be good. Other than that, people really don't care what OS they use.
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Originally posted by Cyber Killer View PostOn a side note - yes I can predict that the big publishers wouldn't be so fond of such a system, but I bet that most of the indies would very gladly welcome it, as they are more concerned with people being happy with their game. And again - never say never. In my life I've met a lot of people that were so sure of what they were saying that they said that something will "never" happen, and yet it happened. It took some time (sometimes quite a lot of time), but for most things the question is not "if", only "when". Now let's end this offtopic.
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Originally posted by marco26 View PostThis! people just cannot expect that gaming on linux will ever be an alternative to windows gaming, even if there were exactly the same games on both platforms windows would be king for a long margin, because most people just don't use linux, because they don't now it or even care about it, windows is what comes with their PC's and it does the job for them.
Our DEs aren't that great, and the defaults setups they seem to come in don't make sense. Sure, I can tweak mine, but your average gamer has no interest in this.
Driver issues still semi suck. Maybe everything will work, maybe it won't, but you don't have an easy to install disk when it doesn't.
The games and apps aren't there yet.
Sound can be fiddily, though it's been getting better.
All these issues are being worked on and I'm confident that everything besides the de's will be good. Other than that, people really don't care what OS they use.
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