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  • Larian
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    Originally posted by AJenbo View Post
    .run ofthen makes a mess of things, it's unclear what they do and some users don't know how to run them...
    So you're telling me that I'm insanely lucky that I've never had a problem installing any of the 60 some-odd games from the HIB guys over the spectrum of installers they use on three different systems (along with id Software's and Icculus' installer scripts for their games)?

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  • AJenbo
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    Originally posted by Larian View Post
    The Humble Indie Bundle guys seem to have solved this problem with *.run packages (among others). What am I not understanding here?
    .run ofthen makes a mess of things, it's unclear what they do and some users don't know how to run them...

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  • Dewitt501
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    tried to fill out the form using chromium, but there was no info in the dropdown boxes. Using Konquerior it seems to work

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  • Larian
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    Originally posted by Licaon View Post
    really? you believe that's the reason? really? they'll support Arch and Slack, they'll put Gentoo ebuilds for download too? that sound nice, but in the mean time ( 'cause yeah it will take them some time, like 5 years or so ) Steam and Desura will be far, far, away, having all the Linux games in their library.
    But it won't be like that, if they want to have a Linux market that is, they'll just support some Ubuntu ( and the other Debian derived ), a RPM distro like Fedora and TAR.XZ ( I hope lol ) for the rest. They need a Linux subforum and scripts will flow to get everything in place for other distros. It's not perfect but it gets the job done for them and for us.
    The Humble Indie Bundle guys seem to have solved this problem with *.run packages (among others). What am I not understanding here?

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  • Licaon
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    Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
    On the contrary. GOG.com just want to make sure that when it commits to Linux support, it would be able to support all of the major distributions. And they are looking for ways to do that.
    really? you believe that's the reason? really? they'll support Arch and Slack, they'll put Gentoo ebuilds for download too? that sound nice, but in the mean time ( 'cause yeah it will take them some time, like 5 years or so ) Steam and Desura will be far, far, away, having all the Linux games in their library.
    But it won't be like that, if they want to have a Linux market that is, they'll just support some Ubuntu ( and the other Debian derived ), a RPM distro like Fedora and TAR.XZ ( I hope lol ) for the rest. They need a Linux subforum and scripts will flow to get everything in place for other distros. It's not perfect but it gets the job done for them and for us.

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  • Larian
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    Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
    On the contrary. GOG.com just want to make sure that when it commits to Linux support, it would be able to support all of the major distributions. And they are looking for ways to do that. Here's an interview where they expanded upon it a little:

    http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/10/24/cd...ws-8-and-more/
    It's a bit unfair towards Valve, as they did say they would also support other distros, but otherwise it makes sense. After all, for all of the DOSBox games, you can already play them on Linux without issues. Just extract their installer and that's all. It's only the native Linux games that are not available yet.
    Valve said they're giving us something by year's end and there's a catalog published online of what games are coming. GOG says they don't know how to get it done, but Valve's way is stinky. "We're looking at it" is not even vaporware.

    Further, why they're not releasing/distributing native Linux clients for games that HAVE LINUX CLIENTS ALREADY isn't even relevant. The fact is that they're not doing it, even when the work is already done for them. If they commit to Linux support, and that's a big if, I'll be among the first to acknowledge it. Until then, a Steam client with games trumps GOG with their big, fat nothing with no plans to show.

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  • GreatEmerald
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    Originally posted by Larian View Post
    In brief, Valve seems to be more interested in customer service and support than does GOG.
    On the contrary. GOG.com just want to make sure that when it commits to Linux support, it would be able to support all of the major distributions. And they are looking for ways to do that. Here's an interview where they expanded upon it a little:

    http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/10/24/cd...ws-8-and-more/
    It's a bit unfair towards Valve, as they did say they would also support other distros, but otherwise it makes sense. After all, for all of the DOSBox games, you can already play them on Linux without issues. Just extract their installer and that's all. It's only the native Linux games that are not available yet.

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  • Larian
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    Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post

    If you like Steam ... [how] do you feel about GOG.com? They have pretty much the same thing, just without DRM and $=? policy. And they're looking at Linux support as well.
    For my part, I'd feel better about them when and if they actually provide Linux support. But then again, I'm not a supporter of Valve because of the Steam platform, but rather a supporter of Steam because of Valve. The Valve studio is making (present tense!) native versions of their games, whereas GOG has flaked on Linux more than once - customer demand be damned. They balk at the very possibility of making Linux versions available for download because they're afraid of having to support them. Even in this area, Valve has gone on record as saying they want to make the entire catalog of games on Steam available on Linux and are trying to get that done. I consider GOG to be blowing smoke about Linux until they make a more concrete announcement.

    In brief, Valve seems to be more interested in customer service and support than does GOG.

    Winner: Valve.

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  • GreatEmerald
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    Originally posted by kwagga View Post
    A quick look at kickstarter also shows the days of big Game publishers dictating which platform gets developed for is coming to an end as well. Now I know not all Game studios are going to break away but some prominent names have already made the intention clear to support Linux in their future release, and that is damned well exciting
    Indeed. Kickstarter projects is what excites me the most at this point. The idea of it is perfect - people tell developers what they want, and developers in turn create something people want. And the things that people want are pretty much universally Linux support, Mac support, DRM-free and Steam integration. Hence why so many developers on Kickstarter have all of those planned (well, Steam integration is not down to them, but rather on Greenlight and such). And that's really good for GNU/Linux as a whole.

    Originally posted by Sidicas View Post
    We haven't heard the last of EA.. They will be back with vengeance next year and they have very deep pockets, even deeper than Valve's.
    Eh, if they keep doing what they are doing, their money will eventually run out. They still need a good source of income, and it's rapidly drying out. EA's brand is tainted now, and more and more people refuse to buy anything related to it.

    Originally posted by ayandon View Post
    • The quality of the Games they make is awesome.
    • Those games can run smoothly with mid-range hardwares.
    • The Price are great. NOT at all expensive And then their insane offers - "75% discount"
      Compare to EA or Origin
    • One you bought a Game, ALL its DLCs, added Maps, ALL ARE FREE. And they keeps on adding. (L4D2, TF2)
    • They give away great games for FREE !! (Alien Swarm, DotA2, CS:GO Beta).
    • If you buy PS3 version, get PC version FREE !! (Portal 2)
    • If you buy PC version, get Mac and Linux (future) version FREE.
    Steam is a distribution platform. It doesn't make games. Did you mean Valve?

    Also, if you like Steam for those reasons, what do you feel about GOG.com? They have pretty much the same thing, just without DRM and $=? policy. And they're looking at Linux support as well.
    Last edited by GreatEmerald; 10-28-2012, 11:51 AM.

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  • ownagefool
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    Originally posted by Sidicas View Post
    Meh.. The big Game publishers will just buy out the smaller game publishers the instant those smaller game publishers get big enough. Electric Arts devours every middle sized game company and leaves a giant poo behind.

    R.I.P. Origin Systems
    R.I.P. Bullfrog
    R.I.P. Maxis
    R.I.P. Westwood Studios
    R.I.P. Virgin Interactive
    R.I.P. Dreamworks Interactive
    R.I.P. Ubisoft
    R.I.P. Bioware
    R.I.P. Pandemic
    R.I.P. Popcap Games

    If you think the companies that develop games for Linux are safe from EA, you're wrong.

    In fact, E.A. tried to devour Valve and Steam along with it last year. For whatever reason, that fell through and EA had to create Origin to compete against Steam. Thankfully Origin failed this year, but only because their customer service was terrible and the Windows gamers lashed out against it. For a while there, games were getting pulled off of Steam because EA was forcing the gaming companies to sign exclusive deals with their Origin service so that gamers were forced to buy games through EA rather than allowing the games to be sold on *ANY* other channels.

    We haven't heard the last of EA.. They will be back with vengeance next year and they have very deep pockets, even deeper than Valve's. Valve might not be the perfect game distributor, but they're sure as hell, a lot better than EA. I wouldn't put it past EA to buy up *ALL* the indie linux game studios that are out there right now and shut them all down or at least force them to make Windows-only games.. Or maybe combine them all together to make a game studio that makes soccer games, just for the fun of it... They're such little fish so they make easy targets. EA has done stuff like that before with *MUCH* larger gaming companies that they acquired.
    Valve are a private company, they don't need to sell themselves if they don't want to. The rumour was EA wanted to buy, there was never any rumour that Gabe was interested in selling.

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