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Originally posted by gamerk2 View PostWhich they'll likely take a loss on. Why even bother with a Linux version if I won't make money on it?
And again, you have the spectre of WINE. Best possible outcome for a dev: The Linux people who want the software can buy the Windows version, run it through Wine, and best of all, they're not required to spend money to support it, because its an "unsupported config". Spares the hassle of having to ensure the linux version works across all the major distros/kernel versions/desktop environments (and so on and so on).
I think the real answer to that question is probably sometimes yes, but unfortauntly, most large companies aren't typically very happy with anything that isn't a slam dunk for some reason. Again though, it depends if what your developing has merit for the platform.
Originally posted by gamerk2 View PostIt does. On a Windows PC, how many free antivirus SW suites are better then Norton? Probably at least a dozen. But if even 1/100 people purchase paid antivirus, and 1/100 of those purchase Norton, Norton will end up with quite the profit at the end of the day.
On linux...not so much. Especially since the users who use linux in the first place would be even more apt to use free software if available.
So combine fewer overall users and the fact that most users will be more likely to go with free software compared to PC users, and you end up with a VERY limited area where you can really cost justify software development and still have the expectation to make a profit. And most of those areas are already filled.
I've been using the platform for many years, and I still can't find good software in repos unless I'm actually looking for something specific by name. If you tell me theres something to meet my needs and it costs $20, and I don't know of a free alternative, I'll part with my cash no problem.
Originally posted by gamerk2 View PostIn my opinion, the major linux devs need to have a sit down and figure out what Linux wants to be. Then figure out all the interfaces to the OS [I should have one way to do audio/video/whatever, regardless of what environments/kernels/whatever the user decides to use], get basic drivers working for the majority of all devices that are supported in Windows [and I don't mean with a reduced feature set/performance], then give me a compiler with good performance AND is easy to develop with [GCC is horrid in this regard; developers like me who grew up with MSVC have VERY high standards], and then maybe linux for the desktop will start going somewhere. When I see Linux right now, I see an OS without any direction, just milling about and trying to stay up to date without really advancing anywhere in particular.
Linux is winning on servers, phones, embeded devices, etc. The only places Linux isn't winning on is the desktop, and corporate networks, the latter of which is all about software on top of the OS.
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Originally posted by gamerk2 View PostWhich they'll likely take a loss on. Why even bother with a Linux version if I won't make money on it?
And again, you have the spectre of WINE. Best possible outcome for a dev: The Linux people who want the software can buy the Windows version, run it through Wine, and best of all, they're not required to spend money to support it, because its an "unsupported config". Spares the hassle of having to ensure the linux version works across all the major distros/kernel versions/desktop environments (and so on and so on).
That wasn't what i meant to say....the Linux version is NOT a loss at all !!!...What i meant to say is that making for both OS cuts the costs of Linux version almost to 0 (not to 0 of course but you understand me for sure) ....it's simply porting it....it's not like to make a game only to Linux from the ground up where you invest a lot in developing it's own textures,audio, story line, game logic, etc.
It's "simply" port it...it makes a LOT of difference.
Because the investment is only for the porting, that reduces the minimum of sells needed to reach profit....
...and so, it's makes the Linux version profitable.
WINE crosses all distros ?!? LOL !!! You sure didn't test WINE as much as i did and with as many games as i did
...and like i already told, WINE is NOT an option to any serious gamer , in fact, not even to any casual player...i know of what i'm talking...i USED WINE and even contributed to bug reports.
WINE will NEVER be truly an option and any devs that says otherwise they only make me NOT buy their games no matter how good they might be.
As for drivers, in special video drivers, the Linux "problem" is that Linux users want FLOSS , after all, it's all part of the same concept as of the OS itself....that however, sometimes collide with the OEM that simply don't want to disclose their secrets...
As for audio , YEAH, what a nightmare...let's hope that KLANG solves the problem but i don't bet too much on it till i see it working...
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Originally posted by AJSB View PostAs for audio , YEAH, what a nightmare...let's hope that KLANG solves the problem but i don't bet too much on it till i see it working...
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Originally posted by AJSB View Post...and we intend to talk later about Anna Kournikova
1. We gonna talk with Neil DeGrasse Tyson bout how Mars mission would fail if Mars Curiosity would be powered by Windows instead Linux & how Valve rescued mission;
2. Anna Kournikova will tell us how Linux helped develop her backhand;
3. Linux saves Japan from tsunami - people stopped throwing computers out to ocean after installing newest Ubuntu.
But wait there's more. So watch Us on next episode of "I Linux".
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Originally posted by sgtGarcia View PostI'm waiting for something like KLANG since 1997. OK maybe 2000.
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NEXT ON THIS THREAD:
1. We gonna talk with Neil DeGrasse Tyson bout how Mars mission would fail if Mars Curiosity would be powered by Windows instead Linux & how Valve rescued mission;
2. Anna Kournikova will tell us how Linux helped develop her backhand;
3. Linux saves Japan from tsunami - people stopped throwing computers out to ocean after installing newest Ubuntu.
But wait there's more. So watch Us on next episode of "I Linux".
1.You know....NASA's Mars Curiosity s powered by the same OS than previous rovers...VxWorks.
NASA uses it for 20 years now.
2: AK backhand is indeed lovely
3. The Japanese stopped throwing PCs to ocean because their eyes got blind with that ugly reddish backgrounds of Ubuntu
witch bring us back to point one because the real reason why Ubuntu uses from some time those ugly reddish backgrounds is because they wanted to replace VxWorks at NASA
but NASA said "No can do....we are already used to use same crap for 20years....we might as well continue to do so....besides....we don't like Unity"Last edited by AJSB; 08 August 2012, 02:38 PM.
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Originally posted by entropy View PostI really hope Microsoft is stupid enough not to backpedal.
40000 to let a dev make a patch for a XBox360 game....wow, just , WOW.
Metro/whatever_is_called_that_crap seems even "better" than Unity....6'' tall Icons in a 27 '' diag. monitors :....this must be a p***s envy issue...."mine are bigger than yours"
...and the moron that commented that soon all monitors will have touchscreens anyway....yeah . and then i have to be real close to the monitor to touch it and really i prefer a mouse....i can just see what is reserved to us as for game controls and the type of crappy games we will have....it's all about using touch and kinectic.....sorry....i have to go puke
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