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  • Ladis
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2017
    • 408

    #71
    Originally posted by qarium View Post

    there is no hate at all. i do not care about apple at all.

    i also do not care about people like you...

    to hate someone you really need to care.. but i do not care.
    All I hear is "care"

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    • qarium
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 3438

      #72
      Originally posted by Ladis View Post
      All I hear is "care"
      no i really do not care. apple is pain free if you do not buy it. so i leave you alone with the pain...
      Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia

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      • Ladis
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2017
        • 408

        #73
        Originally posted by qarium View Post

        no i really do not care. apple is pain free if you do not buy it. so i leave you alone with the pain...
        Apple sells devices like hot cakes, so probably others don't think it's pain.

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        • qarium
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2008
          • 3438

          #74
          Originally posted by Ladis View Post
          Apple sells devices like hot cakes, so probably others don't think it's pain.
          i know enough apple customers who are not happy looks like sell hardware is more easy than have happy customers.
          Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia

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          • Ladis
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2017
            • 408

            #75
            Originally posted by qarium View Post

            i know enough apple customers who are not happy looks like sell hardware is more easy than have happy customers.
            Whose customers are happier?

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            • qarium
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 3438

              #76
              Originally posted by Ladis View Post
              Whose customers are happier?
              i can not answer this question to you. i am not the person who does market studies to find this out
              Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia

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              • Ladis
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2017
                • 408

                #77
                Originally posted by qarium View Post

                i can not answer this question to you. i am not the person who does market studies to find this out
                Apple does the studies, Apple knows.

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                • mSparks
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 2067

                  #78
                  Originally posted by qarium View Post

                  i know enough apple customers who are not happy
                  really? why?
                  Like, I can understand it from a "everyone hates computers, they are not our friends" perspective.

                  But what specifically apple do these not happy apple customers you know actually have to be unhappy about?

                  I am aware of lots of things people believe about apple - they are expensive- its a walled garden - you cant upgrade or service them - which even if it was true before is not true now, and that is very different to what you just said, because apple customers already know that is all lies.

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                  • qarium
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 3438

                    #79
                    Originally posted by Ladis View Post
                    Apple does the studies, Apple knows.
                    and this fact helps me in what way exactly ? it also does not help you you just try a blind shot in the hope you hit some target (any kind of target no matter what)

                    i know one thing for sure no one on planed earth need apple...

                    i give you an example to show that no one need apple (and people are stupid to buy apple)

                    today did come a ASRock Industrial Mini PC Series model: 4x4 BOX-8840u7EU/AI
                    ✔ Preisvergleich für ASRock Industrial 4X4 BOX-8840U ✔ Bewertungen ✔ Produktinfo ⇒ Typ: Mini-PC • Chipsatz: System-on-Chip (SoC) • Sockel: N/A • CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 8840U, 8C/16T, 3.30-5.10GH… ✔ Barebones ✔ Testberichte ✔ Günstig kaufen


                    costs you: 705€

                    we put in 96GB SODIMM DDR5 DDR5-5600 RAM
                    ✔ Preisvergleich für Crucial SO-DIMM Kit 96GB ✔ Produktinfo ⇒ Typ: DDR5 SO-DIMM 262-Pin, on-die ECC • Übertragung: 5600MT/s (5600MHz effektiv - abgeleitet von 2800MHz … ✔ Speicher ✔ Testberichte ✔ Günstig kaufen

                    costs you: 225​€

                    we also put in 2x 1TB M.2 2242 SSD
                    ✔ Preisvergleich für Corsair Force Series MP600 Micro 1TB ✔ Produktinfo ⇒ Kapazität: 1TB (entspricht ca. 931.32GiB bzw. 0.91TiB, weiterführende Informationen hierzu ) • Bauform: S… ✔ Solid State Drives (SSD) ✔ Testberichte ✔ Günstig kaufen


                    costs: 208€

                    total sum is 705+225+208=1138€

                    this means if you buy something from apple you are "BROKE" the apple models with this much ram are like 5000-8000€ ... correct me if i am wrong.

                    the system is as tiny as the apple mac mini ones. even if it is simple black but thats taste not technology.

                    " AMD Ryzen 7 8840U, 8C/16T, 3.30-5.10GHz, 16MB+8MB Cache, 28W TDP, 15-30W cTDP, Codename "Hawk Point" (Zen 4, TSMC 4nm)​"

                    with that data and the TSMC node 4nm we can assume its already better power efficiency than the apple M1 who was produced in TSMC 5nm

                    apple m2 is produced in 5 nm (TSMC N5P) this means this AMD ryzen soc is still on a better node.

                    apple m3 is on 3 nm (TSMC N3B) so we can expect a performance and power efficiency between apple m2 and apple m3...

                    well apple.com only sells apple m4 so lets check the price and surprise the prodict is nowhere even near:

                    " 12-Core CPU
                    16-Core GPU
                    24GB Unified Memory
                    512GB SSD Storage Footnote ¹
                    • 16-core Neural Engine
                    • Front: Two USB‑C ports, headphone jack
                    • Back: Three Thunderbolt 5 ports, HDMI port, Gigabit Ethernet port
                    $1,399.00"

                    you can spin the apple ball as you like in the end you do not get 96GB ram you only get 24gb ram

                    you do not get 2 TB SSD you only get 0,5GB ram

                    you can claim the 12-Core CPU​ is faster than the 8core cpu but in our case we want to build a Freifunk VPN this does not matter at all (believe it or not) also we run Proxmox Virtual Environment and here it looks like apple is real shit you need 1 core or 1 threat to run the host OS this means only 11 virtual guests for the apple m4 product and on the amd product you run the host os in 1 threat and then you run 15 virtual guests so a clear win for the AMD SOC (and again performance does not matter for what we do)

                    you can argue that the 16-Core GPU of apple m4 is faster than the 12 gpu cores on AMD side " AMD Radeon 780M (iGPU), 12CU/768SP,​" but then again we do run ZERO GPU tasks... so again what apple offers does not matter at all.

                    also because macos lag vulkan support people can not play much games on valve steam with apple hardware if they do not install linux and accept that the linux support of apple m4 is a pain in the ass....

                    if you only want a little more ram you buy the mac studio and the model with 64gb ram already cost you
                    4000€ and these mac studios all only have apple M2 soc and is only produced in TSMC 5nm...

                    its very simple you are free to do so you can spend 4000€ on only 64gb ram and i spend 1138€ and have 96GB ram.

                    for me it also boils down to linux support AMD on X86_64 has top notch linux support and the apple products if we exclude older modells like m1 and M2 and m3 do not have that good linux support if we only speak about apple m4... because apple do no longer sell older modells it boils down to you have to buy it and wait years to get decent linux support. what is idiotic.

                    Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia

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                    • Ladis
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2017
                      • 408

                      #80
                      Originally posted by qarium View Post

                      you can argue that the 16-Core GPU of apple m4 is faster than the 12 gpu cores on AMD side " AMD Radeon 780M (iGPU), 12CU/768SP," but then again we do run ZERO GPU tasks... so again what apple offers does not matter at all.
                      Actually a week ago I tried running GPU tasks on older AMD APU and it was shit. More complex computations were crashing because of drivers.

                      Originally posted by qarium View Post

                      also because macos lag vulkan support people can not play much games on valve steam with apple hardware if they do not install linux and accept that the linux support of apple m4 is a pain in the ass....
                      Actually I tried playing Steam games on that APU in Linux and it was slower than on Windows. Since it's an older APU, it was below the usable level, so I had to return to Windows gaming.

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