Steam On Linux Ends 2024 With A Nice Boost To Its Marketshare, AMD Linux CPU Use At 74%

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  • sarmad
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2013
    • 1228

    #51
    Originally posted by Ladis View Post

    What other options they have to play real games?
    Sticking to Steam games with mac support maybe? Or just buying a PS5 or a Windows gaming machine?

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    • Ladis
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2017
      • 408

      #52
      Originally posted by sarmad View Post

      Sticking to Steam games with mac support maybe? Or just buying a PS5 or a Windows gaming machine?
      Why to buy another quite expensive device? Which will occupy a space? And why to limit yourself to the few games native to Mac? Their amount is not much higher than native games for Linux. Even GTA V is not native for Mac, but runs perfectly in the emulation.

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      • qarium
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2008
        • 3438

        #53
        Originally posted by mSparks View Post
        As a 100% Linux user/developer for the last 15 years or so that recently bought a mac mini as a second machine, then a macbook air as a mobile solution, I can only sing Apples praises, they are both a perfect fit with a main linux desktop with more similarities than differences, nowhere near as expensive or "walled garden" I had been misinformed into believing, with a build quality you just cannot get anywhere else.
        But I am as bewildered as you about how so many ms word experts and people who have so little self respect they need to pirate and cheat in games (the only reasons to buy a windows machine) end up here.
        my expectation is that soon you can buy X3D CPu/APUs from AMD what will anihilate all the benefits the M1/M2/M3/M4 apple devices have just see the power power consumption​ lists of tasks like playing games and other tasks the X3D cpus beat the shit out of the competition not only in power savings they are also the fastest.
        if you see statistics like mindfactory what cpu people buy there the 9800X3D is sold out​ the next 3 months...

        you can expect same if such a notebook/laptop hit the market with ryzen9000 X3D cpu/APU

        also if you want ARM and use linux it looks like Qualcomm elite x systems are a good alternative to.
        Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia

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        • Ladis
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2017
          • 408

          #54
          Originally posted by qarium View Post

          my expectation is that soon you can buy X3D CPu/APUs from AMD what will anihilate all the benefits the M1/M2/M3/M4 apple devices have just see the power power consumption​ lists of tasks like playing games and other tasks the X3D cpus beat the shit out of the competition not only in power savings they are also the fastest.
          if you see statistics like mindfactory what cpu people buy there the 9800X3D is sold out​ the next 3 months...

          you can expect same if such a notebook/laptop hit the market with ryzen9000 X3D cpu/APU

          also if you want ARM and use linux it looks like Qualcomm elite x systems are a good alternative to.
          Not everyone wants to keep waiting, when they can buy Apple device already. Statistics are not only one eshop in Germany. And the new Qualcomm procesor is less supported in Linux than Apple Silicon (aslo because it came years later and order of magitude users have that laptop).

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          • qarium
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 3438

            #55
            Originally posted by Ladis View Post
            Not everyone wants to keep waiting, when they can buy Apple device already. Statistics are not only one eshop in Germany. And the new Qualcomm procesor is less supported in Linux than Apple Silicon (aslo because it came years later and order of magitude users have that laptop).
            "Not everyone wants to keep waiting,"

            thats always a good argument.

            "Statistics are not only one eshop in Germany."

            not a good argument because other shops do not share their details

            also if you check amazon or ebay or other sites the price of the cpu is 200€ higher means 700€ means much higher than the official sale price. not only that its sold out​ for many months...

            in the last 15 years when this happened to a CPU released even to the fact that microsoft ship 100 000 of these CPUs every month...

            its pretty sure that if ryzen 9000 X3D notebook cpus hit the market is will disrupt the market even for apple M4 or better cpus... the apple M4 cpus are really good but its not that of a disruptive technology...

            because apple use the same chip partners as AMD its pretty sure that apple will release their own X3D cpus in near future. i would not be surprised of apple M5 comes with that technology to.

            "And the new Qualcomm procesor is less supported in Linux than Apple Silicon"

            i follow the news on that and it really looks like as if Qualcomm pay linux developers to bring up linux support and this goes faster as the apple linux support comes. but yes your argument:

            "(aslo because it came years later and order of magitude users have that"

            your argument is of course true.. qualcomm is years late to the party

            but i talked with people who bought apple m2.. for example and they told me strange things like you need to have macos installed to upgrade the firmware/microcode of the device.

            and other such stuff does not sound nice to me. the hardware clearly is designed around macos...

            Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia

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            • Ladis
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2017
              • 408

              #56
              Originally posted by qarium View Post
              ...
              When other shops don't share data, it doesn't automatically mean they have the similar data. You can e.g. look at sales/profits at the vendors (Intel, AMD, Apple, ...).

              The ARM procesors are not sold separately, so I don't know what sales are you watching. Pricewise, Qualcomm Snapdragon X takes half silicon area to comparable Intel processor. And Qualcomm announced cheaper lowend versions for budget computers.

              The next X3D processor from AMD will make the same disruption like the previous generations. Mostly custom desktops, which is an oposite market to ARM processors.

              Nobody is paying any developer to improve Linux support for Qualcomm processor. Apple has an advantage som many people uses their computers, so the developers need to find only a percent of them to pay them.

              Needing macOS to update firmware is by choice. Linux developers know majority of users will keep macOS installed, so this has a lower priority (e.g. video codecs would be more usefull than this).

              And every hardware is designed around its purpose, if you make your own hardware and not just buying off-the-shelf parts (Qualcomm doesn't have own OS, but they cooperate closly with Microsoft; e.g. all common settings from GPU control panels was integrated into the Windows Settings).
              Last edited by Ladis; 04 January 2025, 09:01 PM.

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              • mSparks
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2007
                • 2067

                #57
                Originally posted by qarium View Post

                you can expect same if such a notebook/laptop hit the market with ryzen9000 X3D cpu/APU
                Missed the point.

                That doesn't matter, because I need something to run programs I occasionally need like ms office and banking apps that don't have Linux versions, and I'd rather stick a fork in my eye than use the steaming pile of shit that is Winblows. Whereas MacOS makes an ideal second+ device for Linux savvy users, as everything worth using has macos versions.
                Last edited by mSparks; 04 January 2025, 09:15 PM.

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                • qarium
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 3438

                  #58
                  Originally posted by mSparks View Post
                  Missed the point.
                  That doesn't matter, because I need something to run programs I occasionally need like ms office and banking apps that don't have Linux versions, and I'd rather stick a fork in my eye than use the steaming pile of shit that is Winblows. Whereas MacOS makes an ideal second+ device for Linux savvy users, as everything worth using has macos versions.
                  well right.. in that case you more or less have no other choice...

                  but why not use a windows in a virtual machine for that task ?
                  Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia

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                  • qarium
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 3438

                    #59
                    Originally posted by Ladis View Post

                    When other shops don't share data, it doesn't automatically mean they have the similar data. You can e.g. look at sales/profits at the vendors (Intel, AMD, Apple, ...).

                    The ARM procesors are not sold separately, so I don't know what sales are you watching. Pricewise, Qualcomm Snapdragon X takes half silicon area to comparable Intel processor. And Qualcomm announced cheaper lowend versions for budget computers.

                    The next X3D processor from AMD will make the same disruption like the previous generations. Mostly custom desktops, which is an oposite market to ARM processors.

                    Nobody is paying any developer to improve Linux support for Qualcomm processor. Apple has an advantage som many people uses their computers, so the developers need to find only a percent of them to pay them.

                    Needing macOS to update firmware is by choice. Linux developers know majority of users will keep macOS installed, so this has a lower priority (e.g. video codecs would be more usefull than this).

                    And every hardware is designed around its purpose, if you make your own hardware and not just buying off-the-shelf parts (Qualcomm doesn't have own OS, but they cooperate closly with Microsoft; e.g. all common settings from GPU control panels was integrated into the Windows Settings).
                    "Nobody is paying any developer to improve Linux support for Qualcomm processor."

                    its a well known fact that unlike apple qualcomm really pay linux developers to port linux to qualcomm elite x systems... qualcomm knows they do not have the luxuary of developers buy their hardware and do it for free only apple have this luxuary.

                    "Needing macOS to update firmware is by choice."

                    in my point of view this is really stupid. and a absolute no-go to me.

                    "Linux developers know majority of users will keep macOS installed"

                    no sorry i do not want to keep macos installed.. how stupid is this...

                    if i buy a notebook with windows on it i wipe windows install linux and i also do not want to keep stupid windows on my device.

                    "it doesn't automatically mean they have the similar data."

                    you are right it is not automatically this way but in fact it is really this way... not automatically but in this spezific case it is really like that

                    the 9800X3D more or less nuke all the other CPUs right now.

                    "And Qualcomm announced cheaper lowend versions for budget computers."

                    these 8core versions with low-end 1,5TFLOPS little GPU are already on the market. for less than 800€
                    many who want to work and never play games this variants are very good.


                    Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia

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                    • mSparks
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 2067

                      #60
                      Originally posted by qarium View Post

                      well right.. in that case you more or less have no other choice...

                      but why not use a windows in a virtual machine for that task ?
                      There is a choice, the choice I went with for more than a decade before I discovered I was lied to a lot about macos

                      Same choice I now go with for CSGO with it's prolific volume of cheaters.

                      - just not use them at all.

                      I do have windows 7 in a virtual machine for building stuff for the masochists that still use windows stuff

                      Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.


                      but now the VMs I rely on for them are stable, performant and mostly bug free i don't really have much need for it tho

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