Steam Survey Results For November 2024: Linux Gaming Marketshare Slightly Higher

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  • avis
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2022
    • 2269

    #11
    Originally posted by moonwalker View Post
    Do you actually have a Steam Deck? Because you sound like you don't and are clueless about what it is, how it works, and its actual capabilities. It's actually not too far off from a plethora of other recent handheld PCs, as in it uses standard x86-64 ISA CPU with standard UEFI firmware, capable of interfacing with standard PC industry USB peripherals (just need a USB hub/dock), and capable of booting pretty much any x86-64 OS that has the necessary drivers. Will every aspect of every OS work seamlessly right out of the box?
    You don't even understand basic English. I said, "Do all the features of Steam Deck work out of the box for any Linux distro". Instead of admitting "No, they do not" you're claiming it's just a standard x86-64 device? So bloody what? It has hardware components that need to be purposefully enabled using patches, firmware and software. Your average Linux distro is nearly unusable on Steam Deck. There's no keyboard, dude. So much for a "standard" x86-64 device. It has no standard mouse for Christ's sake. Why are you lying to yourself? Try installing Ubuntu or Fedora on it without an external keyboard. Good luck with that. Also try installing FreeBSD on your Sony PS5. Tell me how it worked for you.

    Originally posted by moonwalker View Post

    P.S.: IIRC you're from Russia? If yes, good luck with Пр-563, п. 1г), let us know if it actually gets anywhere.
    Ah, I see making it personal for lack of proper arguments. It happens mostly with children and cult followers.

    I've already received death threats from your fellow Linux lovers (more like "haters") here at Phoronix, so I guess I'm doing something right when people throw this shit at me.

    Meanwhile Linux has had 30 years to increase its market share and it hasn't increased much at all. Around 2% give or take.
    Last edited by avis; 02 December 2024, 10:51 AM.

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    • Imout0
      Junior Member
      • Jul 2019
      • 32

      #12
      So Birdie got so mad at Intel not being able to deliver at any level that he's now taking it on Linux users out of pure despite? That's so like him.

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      • zexelon
        Senior Member
        • May 2019
        • 763

        #13
        Woooohhhhhhooooo!!! Super happy to be one of those 2%'ers! Gaming on Linux is vastly better then it has ever been in the past, and I would argue that with steam its a better experience than gaming on Windows these days.

        Sure CoD is a non starter... but I call that a quality filter... CoD and Windows are made for each other.

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        • avis
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2022
          • 2269

          #14
          Originally posted by anda_skoa View Post
          I wrote that it runs a Linux distribution, not that it would run any random Linux distribution.
          Given that people have apparently even managed to run Windows on it that makes it very likely one could do that with a different Linux distribution as well.


          It does run KDE Plasma desktop.
          Most people consider that a "normal" desktop


          Care to point out where I claimed that?

          It comes with KDE Discover and that enables you to browse/search for applications and install/uninstall/update applications.
          Same program used by many more KDE users on other hardware.

          Additionally you can obviously also install software via the Steam store client itself, though it is mostly specialized on games and has only few non-game applications.

          I guess they could make the Linux applications appear in the Deck's Steam store client or make the Steam store's inventory show up in Discover.
          But since even iOS users seem to be capable of handling game stores in parallel to the app store I'd say Steam Deck users can handle it as well.
          1. Windows is supported officialy. Linux distros are not.
          2. Linux distros offer multiple DEs. On Steam you have the only option. Not an average Linux distro by a long shot.
          3. Installing apps via Steam Store? Which part of "install globally" and that's for your entire system, and not just in your Steam library have you failed to understand? What about native Linux software, and not extremely limited software that's available in the Steam Store?

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          • avis
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2022
            • 2269

            #15
            Originally posted by Imout0 View Post
            So Birdie got so mad at Intel not being able to deliver at any level that he's now taking it on Linux users out of pure despite? That's so like him.
            I just cannot stop making it personal? LMAO.

            Dear Phoronix anon, who started using Linux two years ago because it looked cool to him.

            My last three systems all have AMD CPUs or APUs.

            Lastly, I do care about proper competition and Intel has recently not been competitive. A midrange $500 9800X3D CPU should ring a bell to you but you're so enamoured by AMD you don't understand or realize you're getting ripped off hard because "AMD is my savior and that's all I need". No, what you actually need is common sense, logic and rationale. When you are attacking me personally and misrepresenting my words you show a lack of all three.

            Have a nice day.

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            • moonwalker
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2013
              • 237

              #16
              Originally posted by avis View Post
              Ah, I see making it personal for lack of proper arguments. It happens mostly with children and cult followers.

              I've already received death threats from your fellow Linux lovers (more like "haters") here at Phoronix, so I guess I'm doing something right when people throw this shit at me.
              First, there were plenty proper arguments, you just decided to (initially, until edit) ignore them in your response.

              Second, while I am chuckling at Russia going back to Soviet-style C&C approach to economics, I was genuinely excited about developments like YotaPhone and disappointed it never took off, and if anything good ever comes out of that linked thingy I would be excited about that too, though I wouldn't invest in it until Russia withdraws its forces from everywhere they should not be, choosing to contribute to fundraisers helping Ukrainians to fight back instead.

              Third, yeah, death threats are effing BS, man. Granted, you do come across extremely arrogant most of the time, and changing the tone of your posts might help a bit, but death threats are on a whole another level that I cannot condone even for known criminals - those should be getting due process and fair trial, not death threats. Sorry to hear you have to deal with that nonsense. And still waiting to see if you have to say anything of substance to my comment on topic.
              Originally posted by avis View Post
              Meanwhile Linux has had 30 years to increase its market share and it hasn't bulged. Around 2% give or take.
              Simple:
              • Perception that Linux cannot do a lot of things Windows or macOS can, which is part truth and part persistent myths. Most of it comes down to having to re-learn using completely different tools and workflows to get the same work done, and vast majority of people don't want to learn a bunch of incidentals when they already have a tool of trade they learned and can use effectively/efficiently, unless they see a significant benefit in said learning - e.g., a significant increase in productivity or a significant decrease in costs. Windows has a humongous first mover benefit there, Apple - carefully crafted image (with unique applications and hardware).
              • Except for professionals, most people don't really need a computer, they need an appliance that allows them to check their email, browse the web, listen to music, watch movies, play games. Even among professionals, most people care little about OS and don't want to deal with installing/reinstalling it, they just want their apps/tools to work. They're spoiled for choice in ready-to-use appliances varying from high-end devices from Apple running macOS to cheapo chinese devices running Windows (I'm speaking here perceptions, not facts, as it is perceptions that drive markets), but there aren't a lot of machines sold with Linux pre-installed, not in places like Best Buy, or Costco, or Amazon, or other big chain stores... Steam Deck is in a unique position here, and it does account for a significant bump in Steam survey, which IMO speaks plenty for the power of appliance-like device with OS being pre-installed out of the box.
              Last edited by moonwalker; 03 December 2024, 12:15 AM.

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              • moonwalker
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2013
                • 237

                #17
                Originally posted by avis View Post

                You don't even understand basic English. I said, "Do all the features of Steam Deck work out of the box for any Linux distro". Instead of admitting "No, they do not" you're claiming it's just a standard x86-64 device? So bloody what? It has hardware components that need to be purposefully enabled using patches, firmware and software. Your average Linux distro is nearly unusable on Steam Deck. There's no keyboard, dude. So much for a "standard" x86-64 device. It has no standard mouse for Christ's sake. Why are you lying to yourself? Try installing Ubuntu or Fedora on it without an external keyboard. Good luck with that. Also try installing FreeBSD on your Sony PS5. Tell me how it worked for you.
                Try installing Windows on one of those units built into monitor that have no keyboard built-in... Ah, you would first connect keyboard to it, right. Then you'll find out that unless Windows installer image happened to have the network driver for the adapter used in that unit, you're shit out of luck until you download a bunch of "patches, firmware and software" on another computer, copy it over to a USB stick, and install it on your new machine. Even if network works out of the box you may still need to manually download a bunch of drivers. That simply comes with the territory of installing a general-purpose operating system that wasn't developed specifically for the given device, pretending that other devices are somehow better than Steam Deck in that regard is just ignoring the obvious.

                Case in point - HP EliteBook 860 G9, had to install Windows 11 recently (OS it was shipped with originally). Downloaded latest Windows 11 ISO, put it on USB, booted - had to go through installer using only keyboard, Windows wouldn't recognize touchpad at all until I connected to the Internet after installation and downloaded the driver, though would work with external mouse. Various Linux distributions work similarly to Windows 11 on the same laptop, some a bit better, some a bit worse. Steam Deck in that regard isn't that different from a PC with built-in screen but no built-in input devices. macOS looks like is an exceptions, but it really isn't - it has a finite list of hardware units it has to support, unlike Windows and generic Linux distros.

                So no, I do understand basic English, it just that you don't seem to understand the basic realities of computing - the only way to get a "slap the image and go" experience of installing OS on a device is if the OS image was purposefully crafted for the specific device(s), and any attempt to compare the experience of installing a Linux distro or Windows on SteamDeck with installing FreeBSD on Play Station is misrepresenting the reality - I haven't tried installing FreeBSD on PS5, but I did try installing Linux on PS3, and there it was a challenge even just to get the core OS to boot. Having to use external keyboard and mouse for a little while until Steam is installed and configured to auto-start on boot to handle Steam Deck's inputs is nothing in comparison.

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                • Ornithophobic
                  Junior Member
                  • May 2024
                  • 7

                  #18
                  Originally posted by avis View Post

                  1. Windows is supported officialy. Linux distros are not.
                  2. Linux distros offer multiple DEs. On Steam you have the only option. Not an average Linux distro by a long shot.
                  3. Installing apps via Steam Store? Which part of "install globally" and that's for your entire system, and not just in your Steam library have you failed to understand? What about native Linux software, and not extremely limited software that's available in the Steam Store?
                  1. On how many desktop computers does the manufacturer officially support any Linux Distro? The argument you are trying to make here is insane.
                  2. You only need one piece of counter-evidence to disprove this argument. Have you ever used Red Hat? You are welcome
                  3. Same as 2., SteamOS is not the only immutable Distro out there. E.g. Fedora Silverblue. And you can even set the root partition of SteamOS to rw and use it like a normal arch linux.

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                  • moonwalker
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2013
                    • 237

                    #19
                    Originally posted by avis View Post
                    1. Windows is supported officialy. Linux distros are not.
                    Read their official FAQ I linked earlier, they do not provide Windows support, they only provide Windows drivers as-is.
                    Originally posted by avis View Post
                    2. Linux distros offer multiple DEs. On Steam you have the only option. Not an average Linux distro by a long shot.
                    Some distros, like Arch, don't give you an opinion on DE. Some, like Debian, give you a default but allow you to select DE at install time. Some, like Ubuntu, always install with one DE but let you install a different one easily later on. Some, like RHEL, only give you GNOME unless you turn to community-provided EPEL. And then there are bunch of smaller projects that are not Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora clones that only give you one DE because that's all they have resources for. Valve made an opinionated choice. IMHO not a bad one, we'll have to agree to disagree on that point. And it is a pain to replace it, but it is not impossible, see my notes above about systemd-sysext and Nix.
                    Originally posted by avis View Post
                    3. Installing apps via Steam Store? Which part of "install globally" and that's for your entire system, and not just in your Steam library have you failed to understand? What about native Linux software, and not extremely limited software that's available in the Steam Store?
                    Yeah, installing apps beyond games via Steam Store is a pile of steaming... ahem. Again though, see my notes above about systemd-sysext and Nix.

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                    • blackiwid
                      Senior Member
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 2060

                      #20
                      Originally posted by avis View Post
                      Can it run any other Linux distro and everything will work right out of the box without a heavy amount of tinkering? No.
                      I must have done something wrong I installed Bazzite and it's basically nearly a 1:1 replacement, and everything works out of the box. (as much as it does for steamos)

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