Steam On Linux Drops Below 2% For August 2024 Survey

[qarium]

They said "designed for in-car entertainment systems". Open-source means that anyone else can try haphazardly to tie it into a desktop experience at their own risk, and RH and Valve are into that risk
Also your non-subtle attempts to dissuade discussion with put-downs are a joke; I've seen harder trying to figure out why games have a Body type You can't out-argue real-world experience that easily.

i am not valve and i am not redhat and i have no steamdeck and i have no in-car entertainment system...

and i use fedora 40 with wayland every day and most of the day it does not touch xwayland

because my main apps like firefox are wayland native.

[qarium]

Man forget that; I've heard the same echo since 2015 and Wayland is still worse than Xorg in 2024. Stop lying to people and help get Wayland up-to-par, and then shout about how much I should be using it

i use wayland every day.. even without xwayland as mSparks claim...

these accelerator problems are only on notebooks for people who need battery time on my threatripper systems this is not a problem at all.

[Espionage724]

well it looks like you are right wayland is only used in car enterainment systems and only developed by redhat for this purpose
and the valve steam deck of course use x11 and is of course developed by microsoft.

They said "designed for in-car entertainment systems". Open-source means that anyone else can try haphazardly to tie it into a desktop experience at their own risk, and RH and Valve are into that risk

Also your non-subtle attempts to dissuade discussion with put-downs are a joke; I've seen harder trying to figure out why games have a Body type You can't out-argue real-world experience that easily.

[qarium]

No, you use xwayland.

i use mostly firefox only... and Firefox switched from xwayland to native Wayland long time ago...
this means your claim that i use xwayland is completely speculation.

That's just X11 with a few extra milliseconds latency added on to everything it does and loads of useful libxcb server stuff intentionally broken.

we had this talk in the past wayland+xwayland add usefull security layers this means its not just x11 with few extra millisecond of latency...
for whatever reason you have ill intentions and you want to see the future of linux as a competitor to windows and apple macos death.
maybe you have stock market shared of microsoft and apple and you do not to see them lose market value.

wayland is something competely different, mostly designed for in car entertainment systems, with some redhat employees (and pretty much no one else) making contributions to it in order to meet their contribution targets.

well it looks like you are right wayland is only used in car enterainment systems and only developed by redhat for this purpose
and the valve steam deck of course use x11 and is of course developed by microsoft.

really with your believes i would go to a neurological doctor and do a check for dementia.

[Espionage724]

i know you are hyper critical about wayland and it is your good right to do so.. but honestly people use it and well people can not even see why you complain that much.

Man forget that; I've heard the same echo since 2015 and Wayland is still worse than Xorg in 2024. Stop lying to people and help get Wayland up-to-par, and then shout about how much I should be using it

[mSparks]

i use wayland with gnome for years now... you always have to ask whatever you say does it even matter?
you say: "wayland universally lacks 3D hardware acceleration features"
but does it even matter? i can not experience that it does matter...

the wine/proton support to go natively with wayland is actively developed and this means in 1 year there can be a lot if stuff changed... so please 2023 news on a actively developed software stack...

i know you are hyper critical about wayland and it is your good right to do so.. but honestly people use it and well people can not even see why you complain that much.

No, you use xwayland.

That's just X11 with a few extra milliseconds latency added on to everything it does and loads of useful libxcb server stuff intentionally broken.

wayland is something competely different, mostly designed for in car entertainment systems, with some redhat employees (and pretty much no one else) making contributions to it in order to meet their contribution targets.

[qarium]

nothing has changed since then, wayland universally lacks 3D hardware acceleration features and offers only limited 2D acceleration options, its not just limited to wine/proton, and not just some obscure stuff people dont care about either, we are talking basic functionality being a long way/probably never from being designed and implemented into the protocol
e.g.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hyprland/comments/1bh3eev/so_no_hardware_acceleration_in_wayland/

And even if they eventually get round to it, it will still need client side adoption, which will only happen if its actually easier to develop for and more performant, which, tbh, is nothing short of a joke.

i use wayland with gnome for years now... you always have to ask whatever you say does it even matter?
you say: "wayland universally lacks 3D hardware acceleration features"
but does it even matter? i can not experience that it does matter...

the wine/proton support to go natively with wayland is actively developed and this means in 1 year there can be a lot if stuff changed... so please 2023 news on a actively developed software stack...

i know you are hyper critical about wayland and it is your good right to do so.. but honestly people use it and well people can not even see why you complain that much.

[mSparks]

please leave us alone with 2023 news... honestly

nothing has changed since then, wayland universally lacks 3D hardware acceleration features and offers only limited 2D acceleration options, its not just limited to wine/proton, and not just some obscure stuff people dont care about either, we are talking basic functionality being a long way/probably never from being designed and implemented into the protocol

e.g.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hyprland/comments/1bh3eev/so_no_hardware_acceleration_in_wayland/

And even if they eventually get round to it, it will still need client side adoption, which will only happen if its actually easier to develop for and more performant, which, tbh, is nothing short of a joke.

[qarium]

then you watch the actual presentation and learn "fully support" means what got upstreamed is barely functional accelerated 2D software support and some "ideas" how 3D acceleration "could" work.

please leave us alone with 2023 news... honestly

[qarium]

Seems likely. Nothing much interesting happened tbh. But it is gonna be very interesting to see what happens when some 50% of windows machines go end of life in a year, and the only supported windows version includes sending everything you do and save on windows to people who specialise in industrial espionage and blackmail. I suspect/hope the numbers of windows users then drops of a cliff, that or everyone is in a lot of trouble.

i am done moving every person i know from windows to linux or windows 11...

and windows 11 only for people who do business and need windows only software like DATEV(forced by the government)