Few notes about Carmack's keynote at QuakeCon 2009

[mirv]

Well, interest in modding decreased a little when quake2 was released, apparently it wasnt as attractive to modders as quake1 was. Although there were some very important mods for it, like action q2, then q3 came along and it was mostly about trasfering all those q1 mods to it, like 3wave, q3f, and so forth. I suppose it's just more difficult to make mods for todays games. It's just a very big amount of work.

Carmack made a note of that in answer to a question about Rage. He mentioned that the game is not intended for modders predominately because it would simply require too much work. He didn't say it wasn't possible, just that with the amount of effort required to make the maps & other things, modding will likely not occur and so they're not aiming for it with that particular game.

[xav1r]

Nexuiz is a great engine, pretty decent models, pretty nice maps. Just wish people out there would make mods for it. I would love to see a "Nexuiz Fortress", or Nexuiz-Strike Back on the original quake (from which nexuiz is a major update to), we saw lots and lots of mods. Some of those mods (ctf, teamfortress) that became a staple in FPS gaming that we know it. Where have all the modders gone? //sorry if this was all kinda off topic.

Well, interest in modding decreased a little when quake2 was released, apparently it wasnt as attractive to modders as quake1 was. Although there were some very important mods for it, like action q2, then q3 came along and it was mostly about trasfering all those q1 mods to it, like 3wave, q3f, and so forth. I suppose it's just more difficult to make mods for todays games. It's just a very big amount of work.

[RabidWeezle]

Nexuiz is a great engine, pretty decent models, pretty nice maps. Just wish people out there would make mods for it. I would love to see a "Nexuiz Fortress", or Nexuiz-Strike Back on the original quake (from which nexuiz is a major update to), we saw lots and lots of mods. Some of those mods (ctf, teamfortress) that became a staple in FPS gaming that we know it. Where have all the modders gone? //sorry if this was all kinda off topic.

[L33F3R]

it isnt bad. I have had some good hours on it.

[xav1r]

yea but you think 95% of the people who play it give a damn if its freedom software? I certainly don't. That said, I strongly advocate free software but like the rest of the free world I have the freedom to use non-free software and often times exercise that right.

Open arena is crap anyways. I offered my services to them but they seem too stuck up to actually make a game worth playing. Not saying im a great artist but anything is better then the garbage they have right now.

Yeah, true. I myself dont care too much about that either. I was answering the question that there could be a Free-like "OpenTerritory" for ET if the source code is indeed released. True, there's a big debate over at the FOSS camps, whether choosing to use non-free software should be a freedom too. But that's what the BSD license is for.

Well, that's somewhat of a subjective opinion about OpenArena. It's lacks polish, and leielol is, well, a pain to work with, but its fun to play ocassionally. What do you think if nexuiz?

[L33F3R]

Yeah, but only Open Arena is Free Beer AND Free Speech. ET is only Free Beer. Very different. The point of OpenArena is not that it's just a freebie, but that all its contents, graphics, sounds, animations, are 100% FREE software-like. ET gfx, sounds, and such are closed and copyrighted.

yea but you think 95% of the people who play it give a damn if its freedom software? I certainly don't. That said, I strongly advocate free software but like the rest of the free world I have the freedom to use non-free software and often times exercise that right.

Open arena is crap anyways. I offered my services to them but they seem too stuck up to actually make a game worth playing. Not saying im a great artist but anything is better then the garbage they have right now.

[Dragonlord]

Nothing wrong with copyrighted content in a free engine. Important is the engine not the content. This is up to the devers to make.

[xav1r]

Well, I get your point perfectly, but in this particular example (OpenArena) the "free as in free speech" saying is not very fortunate.

Why do you say that? I don't see the unfortunate. Another example of Free as in Speech and Beer besides Open Arena would be Nexuiz.

[yotambien]

Yeah, but only Open Arena is Free Beer AND Free Speech. ET is only Free Beer. Very different. The point of OpenArena is not that it's just a freebie, but that all its contents, graphics, sounds, animations, are 100% FREE software-like. ET gfx, sounds, and such are closed and copyrighted.

Well, I get your point perfectly, but in this particular example (OpenArena) the "free as in free speech" saying is not very fortunate.

[nanonyme]

Ya, I've been working on getting my "Hello world" code patented.

Maybe you could get a patent for "Hello world" with obfuscated Perl? Would probably cover originality...