Valve Is A Wonderful Upstream Contributor To Linux & The Open-Source Community

[unic0rn]

Please prove the contrary instead pure sectarian blaming. I see Linux Foundation WASTES lots of money.

"Sectarian blaming" is the exact attitude of this community towards Microsoft.

Is Microsoft retarded? Sometimes it still is, yes, but much less so than a decade or two ago. Is it hostile towards Linux? I wouldn't say so. Linux isn't even a competition for them, they've pulled their heads out of their asses and learned to cooperate.

Something this community should learn to do as well, instead of acting like a religious cult.

[PublicNuisance]

Valve runs a closed source client in Steam that allows the most invasive DRM programs out there onto it's platform. They also haven't made their games or game engines FOSS. These are facts that can't be contested. You can try to explain them away or reduce their degree of seriosuness if you wish but that doesn't make them untrue. My point in all of this is how far has the FOSS community fallen when a company that does the above is considered " A Wonderful Upstream Contributor To Linux & The Open-Source Community" ? They are no different to me than Microsoft is. Microsoft also makes a bunch of closed source software but every now and again makes something FOSS so they can be praised for it. I don't hate Valve but I do hate the praise they get considering they could do so much more and have the resources to do so. I would rather praise Itch.io which has a FOSS client for their store and try to focus on having DRM free games, doing all the above with a fraction of the budget Valve has. There are countless FOSS game engines we could praise instead of prasing the people who make the closed source Source engines so lets do that instead. If Valve is "wonderful" then what do we call those projects that make 100% of their work FOSS ? Words like "wonderful" lose their meaning when we just throw them around carelessly.

[Dukenukemx]

You know who isn't like Valve? Apple who took DXVK and Wine and then modified it for their toolkit and gave it a license which doesn't require them to release the source code.

[HEL88]

It's sad to see people thinking Microsoft is a friend to Linux. Microsoft has proved over and over again their goal of destroying competition. Direct X was an attempt to kill gaming on other devices by locking games to Windows instead of OpenGL. IE was an attempt to kill off other browsers. Microsoft's mouth opens wide, how long before they swallow the Penguin? Open your eyes.

You write about ancient history from 25 years ago. But OK.

Direct X was an attempt to kill

DirectX when it appeared it was framework for developing games that consists of:

DirectDraw (raster graphics library) ,
Direct2D (2D vector graphics),
Direct3D,
DirectWrite (text render library),
DirectInput (a library for using the mouse, keyboard, joysticks and gamepads),
DirectPlay (network support in games),
DirectSound (sound, effects, dsp support),
DirectMusic,
DirectShow (suport for video),
DirectSetup (management of component installation and deinstallation)

And are you surprised that developers used DirectX? A convenient, uniform, comprehensive library supporting game creation. There is no conspiracy, no killing, but M$ simply provided the developers with what they needed.

Open your eyes.

IE was

Before IE, you had to pay for the browser. In 1995, Netscape Navigator cost $79, which is $160 today.

Microsoft gave people the browser for free with the price of the system.

Microsoft destroyed companies just as much as open source does today. Freeness always hurts those who make them pay for products.

What happened to Aix, HP-UX, Solaris etc.???? Linux destroyed these systems. Open your eyes.

[Eirikr1848]

In the new “corporate-driven open source ecosystem” — Valve is doing things RIGHT.

Before my Steam Deck I spent maybe $20-40/year on games. Now? I spend about $100-200 during each of their event sales.

And the beauty is I can play some of these games on my Athlon 3050U 2x CU Vega 14nm, My Kabini E2-3800 2x CU GFX 703 GPU, all the way through my more modern desktop setups.

So yeah. The benefits they have brought are immense.

[Mike Frett]

It's sad to see people thinking Microsoft is a friend to Linux. Microsoft has proved over and over again their goal of destroying competition. Direct X was an attempt to kill gaming on other devices by locking games to Windows instead of OpenGL. IE was an attempt to kill off other browsers. Microsoft's mouth opens wide, how long before they swallow the Penguin? Open your eyes.

[timofonic]

If you think Linux Foundation is stupid and irresponsible with the donations it receives, you have bigger problems as a community than MICROSOFT BAD, REEEEEE.

Please prove the contrary instead pure sectarian blaming. I see Linux Foundation WASTES lots of money.

[rmfx]

Coincidentally, it's when companies are not rotten with IPOs and stockholders that they are not toxic.
It's not Unity that would do that...

[citral]

That Microsoft created DirectX and the Win32 API back in the days and haven't given it to Linux does not take away from everthing else they have given.



This is a baseless statement not grounded in reality. You haven't used them yet you loudly proclaim they suck.

VS Code is hugely popular, perhaps the most development environment on Linux. It it is not trash, people like it.

As for .NET, it could be argued that the old .NET Framework 4.8 and earlier were trash (binding redirects were a hell), but the new .NET (formerly known as .NET Core) is great. It is a better Java than Java. It is not trash.

As for ASP.NET Core, it performs well when benchmarked against other web frameworks. It has a modular architecture with middleware that plug into a pipeline so you can use it for the smallest projects for a small footprint, or you can extend it with any middleware you like with pluggable authentication schemes and support for Websockets, gRPC, JWT, etc. It is probably the best web backend in existence.

EF Core have great conventions to easy get going, all the while offering lots of configuration which lets you create entities that map to the database and lets you use domain-driven design for your entities. It is probably the best ORM in existence.

PowerShell is a different take on shells, as contrary to other shells which are text-based, this is object-based, which is pretty cool. Might not everyone's cup of coffee though, and personally I don't care so much for it. It's not trash though.

As for Edge, it is okay, but I much prefer Firefox. Any day of the week. Firefox!
Still it nice for all web developers that Edge is available on Linux so you can use it for testing.

You don't sound like a dev.

[HEL88]

Microsoft store does not work on Linux and does not allow third party frontends. So their GamePass subscribers cannot run the games which they paid for on Linux.

You can play via Xbox Cloud.