X.Org vs. Wayland Linux Gaming Performance For NVIDIA GeForce + AMD Radeon In Early 2023

[qarium]

Security in Wayland is a myth. Security implies that every single thing on the display server will be "sandboxed" and monitored. For example, if a window wants to access another window before it can, it has to get permission. And so for every function and every X client. Here we invent a permission system that has to communicate with applications and such things like DBus. But this system needs to be thought through to make it flexible, and to think through the various details (may be even add features to the Linux kernel) so that you don't get the same imaginary security as in Wayland. Speaking of which, a lot of people blame X for running as root, but running as root provides the security that a display server client, with proper security implementation, cannot hack it trough LD_PRELOAD from the client's side or access server's memory. May be Xorg needs to be run under another user, just like it's done with apache.
The supposed security in Wayland is a pathetic excuse for the lack of features in Wayland itself, which is ridiculous.
The truth is simple. There are no security extensions in X just because no one needs them. For most users, it is an unnecessary clutter. People have even written specifications for implementing security in applications. Do you know how many applications adopted them? Zero.
P.S. The permissions system should also validate the client for LD_PRELOAD and LD_LIBRARY_PATH overrides, so that an intruder cannot access the data through the clients.

there is a simple reason why ibm/redhat develop wayland because their customers pay money for this.

right now normal desktop users do not need this level of security thats fine for nvidia users.

but this does not mean x11/xorg has any future,.,

for nvidia and we said this multible times the time to adopt wayland is the time intel and amd and mesa switch to "explicit async"

right now as far as i know the lag of "explicit async" in mesa and wayland is the only reason why nvidia does not go all in on wayland.

but the time of implicit async are already numbered you can expect the switch the next 1-2 years.

[WannaBeOCer]

no sorry i will not buy nvidia for OptiX and also not for Tensor cores ...

as i know in 1-2 month amd will release their raytracing extension to Blender means their OptiX alternative., (of course the nvidia cards are faster in raytracing please spare me this part.)

you can buy your nvidia card i don't care.

i will upgrade my vega64 to an 7900xtx in the next months.

I understand you’re a fanboy, you won’t touch Intel or Nvidia GPUs only AMD. I’ve noticed it back in the Intel Arc thread.

[Monsterovich]

there is a simple reason why ibm/redhat develop wayland because their customers pay money for this.

There is a conspiracy theory that Microsoft has realized that GNU/Linux is becoming too high quality. So they pay for questionable solutions like Pulseaudio, Systemd, GTK/3/4/GNOME, Wayland, and so on to screw Linux desktop experience. There may be some truth here, considering that the author of Systemd and Pulseaudio left to work for Microsoft. Maybe he was just offended that Pulseaudio was replaced by Pipewire. :P

Or the simple explanation, big corporations are dumb and don't care about regular users.

[Monsterovich]

but this does not mean x11/xorg has any future,.,

I don't know if there is a future for X, there definitely is, because you have to do something with thousands of Xorg applications, but there is definitely no future for Wayland on the desktop.

[WannaBeOCer]

I don't know if there is a future for X, there definitely is, because you have to do something with thousands of Xorg applications, but there is definitely no future for Wayland on the desktop.

One thing you may have noticed, they bought out majority of the Linux/Vulkan game Studio developers.

[Monsterovich]

One thing you may have noticed, they bought out majority of the Linux/Vulkan game Studio developers.

Sure, Valve wants to make game consoles. Wayland fits that purpose because it's a protocol for writing your own display server. The desktop is a completely different situation, where a single implementation and having a complete full-fledged framework is more important.

[qarium]

I understand you’re a fanboy, you won’t touch Intel or Nvidia GPUs only AMD. I’ve noticed it back in the Intel Arc thread.

i bought a intel arc a380 for my mothers computer last week ???...

the reason is this:

AMD radeon 6400/6500 are only PCIe 4X and the intel arc 380 is PCIe 8x
and AMD radeon 6400/6500 does not have AV1 decode what is really a sin.

and the next with AV1 decode on AMD side is a 6600 what costs 80-90€ more for a person who does not game at all.

but it looks like you much much much overestimate intel because right now on her daily updated fedora 37 only 1024x800 pixel software rendering works... and we upgraded from a AMD HD6870 to the intel arc to go from 2K to 4K,, but nothing but software rendering at 1024x800 pixel works right now.

with intel arc you have to wait 2-3 months to the fedora 38 release to get any intel arc gpu working.

[qarium]

There is a conspiracy theory that Microsoft has realized that GNU/Linux is becoming too high quality. So they pay for questionable solutions like Pulseaudio, Systemd, GTK/3/4/GNOME, Wayland, and so on to screw Linux desktop experience. There may be some truth here, considering that the author of Systemd and Pulseaudio left to work for Microsoft. Maybe he was just offended that Pulseaudio was replaced by Pipewire. :P
Or the simple explanation, big corporations are dumb and don't care about regular users.

it is very easy to detect what microsoft does to linux just watch what ubuntu does...

flatpak vs snap ... microsoft plays divide and conquer...

fedora works best on AMD GPUs thats why they did go the wayland route first

and ubuntu works with nvidia gpus best thats why they did stay on x11/x.org for so long.

in the past microsoft used its ubuntu pupped to play the mir vs wayland card...

microsoft does sapotage the opensource world for many many years even 25 years ago with openGL microsoft was in the kronos group to sapotage the standard later the evil empire of microsoft used nvidia to sapotage the openGL standard with NvidiaGL and opengl slang apps and games who only run correctly on nvidia hardware.

[qarium]

I don't know if there is a future for X, there definitely is, because you have to do something with thousands of Xorg applications, but there is definitely no future for Wayland on the desktop.

i already use wayland on the desktop with my amd vega64 ???

[qarium]

One thing you may have noticed, they bought out majority of the Linux/Vulkan game Studio developers.

right i did see this to. like doom eternal and ID softwares... these microsoft people are pure evil i tell you.