X.Org vs. Wayland Linux Gaming Performance For NVIDIA GeForce + AMD Radeon In Early 2023

[deusexmachina]

I've had zero interest in investing in Wayland. Required reading imo: https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9f...5e3a9f2d1f2277

[Myownfriend]

I don't know if there is a future for X, there definitely is, because you have to do something with thousands of Xorg applications, but there is definitely no future for Wayland on the desktop.

Dumb take.

[Draget]

Thank you Michael for this benchmark! Seems like you uncovered some juice potential for optimizations there! Let's hope the 'right' people see it.

[ElectricPrism]

it is very easy to detect what microsoft does to linux just watch what ubuntu does...

flatpak vs snap ... microsoft plays divide and conquer...

fedora works best on AMD GPUs thats why they did go the wayland route first

and ubuntu works with nvidia gpus best thats why they did stay on x11/x.org for so long.

in the past microsoft used its ubuntu pupped to play the mir vs wayland card...

microsoft does sapotage the opensource world for many many years even 25 years ago with openGL microsoft was in the kronos group to sapotage the standard later the evil empire of microsoft used nvidia to sapotage the openGL standard with NvidiaGL and opengl slang apps and games who only run correctly on nvidia hardware.

Plausible, there is sufficient motive. But I'm not worried. Also Ubuntu being pro Nvidia & Xorg -- holy dog shit -- from a desktop user point of view in 2010 - 2013 when I used Ubuntu Xorg + Nvidia was LITERALLY the WORST thing about LINUX. Every time Ubuntu would ship a update it would break Xorg and dump my machines to TTY or some kind of LightDM Nvidia seizure where I couldn't access TTY. From my point of view that was part of the whole reason WHY Wayland happened not long after.

I would like to see how you incorporate Nancy Pelosi and her ownership of Nvidia stock and visit to Taiwan into this concept :P.

The Microsoft sabotage of OpenGL was a great read back in the day (I think it written about on a 00s blog)

I can't seem to find it because the Search Engine have gone to ABSOLUTE DOG SHIT the past few years -- it would appear someone wants to prioritize "authoritative sources" -- big corporation websites above relevant results. And that's not a joke. Google is nearly useless, and probably on purpose in the same way every app tries to "keep you on it" as long as possible to maximize profits.

[qarium]

One thing you may have noticed, they bought out majority of the Linux/Vulkan game Studio developers.

right i did see this to. like doom eternal and ID softwares... these microsoft people are pure evil i tell you.

[qarium]

I don't know if there is a future for X, there definitely is, because you have to do something with thousands of Xorg applications, but there is definitely no future for Wayland on the desktop.

i already use wayland on the desktop with my amd vega64 ???

[qarium]

There is a conspiracy theory that Microsoft has realized that GNU/Linux is becoming too high quality. So they pay for questionable solutions like Pulseaudio, Systemd, GTK/3/4/GNOME, Wayland, and so on to screw Linux desktop experience. There may be some truth here, considering that the author of Systemd and Pulseaudio left to work for Microsoft. Maybe he was just offended that Pulseaudio was replaced by Pipewire. :P
Or the simple explanation, big corporations are dumb and don't care about regular users.

it is very easy to detect what microsoft does to linux just watch what ubuntu does...

flatpak vs snap ... microsoft plays divide and conquer...

fedora works best on AMD GPUs thats why they did go the wayland route first

and ubuntu works with nvidia gpus best thats why they did stay on x11/x.org for so long.

in the past microsoft used its ubuntu pupped to play the mir vs wayland card...

microsoft does sapotage the opensource world for many many years even 25 years ago with openGL microsoft was in the kronos group to sapotage the standard later the evil empire of microsoft used nvidia to sapotage the openGL standard with NvidiaGL and opengl slang apps and games who only run correctly on nvidia hardware.

[qarium]

I understand you’re a fanboy, you won’t touch Intel or Nvidia GPUs only AMD. I’ve noticed it back in the Intel Arc thread.

i bought a intel arc a380 for my mothers computer last week ???...

the reason is this:

AMD radeon 6400/6500 are only PCIe 4X and the intel arc 380 is PCIe 8x
and AMD radeon 6400/6500 does not have AV1 decode what is really a sin.

and the next with AV1 decode on AMD side is a 6600 what costs 80-90€ more for a person who does not game at all.

but it looks like you much much much overestimate intel because right now on her daily updated fedora 37 only 1024x800 pixel software rendering works... and we upgraded from a AMD HD6870 to the intel arc to go from 2K to 4K,, but nothing but software rendering at 1024x800 pixel works right now.

with intel arc you have to wait 2-3 months to the fedora 38 release to get any intel arc gpu working.

[Monsterovich]

One thing you may have noticed, they bought out majority of the Linux/Vulkan game Studio developers.

Sure, Valve wants to make game consoles. Wayland fits that purpose because it's a protocol for writing your own display server. The desktop is a completely different situation, where a single implementation and having a complete full-fledged framework is more important.

[WannaBeOCer]

I don't know if there is a future for X, there definitely is, because you have to do something with thousands of Xorg applications, but there is definitely no future for Wayland on the desktop.

One thing you may have noticed, they bought out majority of the Linux/Vulkan game Studio developers.