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  • deanjo
    started a topic Duke Nukem 4 Never

    Duke Nukem 4 Never

    Well it finally happened:

    3D Realms to be closed Written by David Stellmack Thursday, 07 May 2009 06:16


    New Duke Nukem finally is never-ware

    In a surprise turn of events, Duke Nukem developer 3D Realms will be closing their doors for the final time at the end of this week. This news is now being confirmed by our sources as well as several industry insiders.

    The news now seems to finally move the Duke Nukem Forever title from vapor-ware to never-ware. While we can’t actually confirm that the next chapter in the Duke Nukem saga will never be released, we believe with 3D Realms closing it is now more unlikely than ever that the title will never see the light of day.

    In many ways the fact that the Duke Nukem Forever saga will finally end will bring to a close one of the longest running delays that has ever been seen in the gaming software business. The Forever sequel was originally announced back in 1997 and the continued promises as well as the delays have been the butt of industry punch lines for years.

    In recent years more details started to come to light, as well as screen shots that seemed to actually indicate that work was being done on the title; and at least a ray of hope for a possible release was on the horizon. While it is possible that the rights and development assets could find their way to another developer to actually finish Duke Nukem Forever, at this time we have to think that it could actually reemerge at some point; however, this would likely be as the result of being sold as an asset to someone else and with a new team at the helm.

    Some details are still sketchy, including just how many developers will be affected by the closure, and remain at least for the moment up in the air. From our understanding at least some development will continue by third party developers that were licensed for Duke Nukem titles that are in development for the Nintendo DS as well as the PSP. We expect to hear more before the end of the week, but the news certainly ends an era.
    Hey svartalf, make them an offer for the DN4Ever code. Might get it pretty cheap. Don't bother trying to access their website though, it's already dead.
    Last edited by deanjo; 05-07-2009, 06:24 AM.

  • Svartalf
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    Originally posted by xav1r View Post
    I thought the previous publisher was GT Interactive, which was bought out by Infogrames. Didnt Take 2 pay them the 12m for the publishing rights?
    No, GT was first, GoD was second, Take-Two was third- all the handoffs were due to the publisher in question imploding or being bought out. They bought GoD and one of the parts of the deal was the licensing rights to DNF for 12 mil. If Take-Two/2k has a beef over the $12 mil they paid in, it's not with 3DR; it's with the prior principals of GoD. They didn't pay anyone at 3DR any money, ever; they just held the publication rights to it just like they held the rights to the first Ep on Prey. They've PUBLICLY stated that for the record, even. It remains to be seen that Take-Two has anything that'll work in court at this point because of that history.
    Last edited by Svartalf; 05-18-2009, 02:56 PM.

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  • Dragonlord
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    Originally posted by L33F3R View Post
    well then im a zombie
    Where did I left my GravGun?

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  • L33F3R
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    Originally posted by Dragonlord View Post
    Unfortunately this might be true... as a German proverb goes: "Totgesagte leben l?nger!" ( those considered dead live longer ).
    well then im a zombie

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  • xav1r
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    Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
    My take on this, based on the tracing of the history is this:
    1. 3DRealms had a publishing deal with Gathering of Developers (GoD) while they were still in business.
    2. GoD became a subsidiary (but not directly associated with Take-Two) sometime around 1999.
    3. GoD was purchased outright by Take-Two in 2000. The $12M claimed to have been paid for the rights was part of the purchase deal for GoD.
    4. Later on, Take-Two offered a payment of 4.5 million plus royalties on the delivery of the game with an additional half mil bonus if delivered on or before December 31, 2006.
    5. At no point did Take-Two pay anyone at 3DRealms anything. They hold the publishing rights contract that was signed with the Gathering of Developers for whatever deal that was made (no details on that contract are known, but it certainly wasn't for 12Mil...).


    It doesn't seem that Scott's remarks are out of line or false- and don't characterize anything other than disputing the outstanding line that people keep thinking happened; which is that Take-Two paid them $12 million which they really, really didn't.



    No kidding... But...it's time to stick a fork in it...it's done...

    Does that mean it'll get published?
    I thought the previous publisher was GT Interactive, which was bought out by Infogrames. Didnt Take 2 pay them the 12m for the publishing rights?

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  • Dragonlord
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    Unfortunately this might be true... as a German proverb goes: "Totgesagte leben l?nger!" ( those considered dead live longer ).

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  • SolidSteel144
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    One day this game might actually come out (or not).

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  • Svartalf
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    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
    Hmmm, now 3D Realms is saying Take 2 never even paid for the publishing rights. If that's the case I can see MS moving in after the court case.
    My take on this, based on the tracing of the history is this:
    1. 3DRealms had a publishing deal with Gathering of Developers (GoD) while they were still in business.
    2. GoD became a subsidiary (but not directly associated with Take-Two) sometime around 1999.
    3. GoD was purchased outright by Take-Two in 2000. The $12M claimed to have been paid for the rights was part of the purchase deal for GoD.
    4. Later on, Take-Two offered a payment of 4.5 million plus royalties on the delivery of the game with an additional half mil bonus if delivered on or before December 31, 2006.
    5. At no point did Take-Two pay anyone at 3DRealms anything. They hold the publishing rights contract that was signed with the Gathering of Developers for whatever deal that was made (no details on that contract are known, but it certainly wasn't for 12Mil...).


    It doesn't seem that Scott's remarks are out of line or false- and don't characterize anything other than disputing the outstanding line that people keep thinking happened; which is that Take-Two paid them $12 million which they really, really didn't.

    Either way I see Duke being published "when it's done".
    No kidding... But...it's time to stick a fork in it...it's done...

    Does that mean it'll get published?

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  • deanjo
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    Hmmm, now 3D Realms is saying Take 2 never even paid for the publishing rights. If that's the case I can see MS moving in after the court case.

    Shacknews has some court documents from the Take-Two lawsuit against 3D Realms indicating the publisher is claiming it is owed "millions of dollars," and is seeking the court's help in protecting the source code and other assets from Duke Nukem Forever. They also have a comment from Scott Miller, who says 3D Realms will have more to say on the matter soon, but in the meantime he denies Take-Two's claim that it paid 3D Realms $12 million for the DNF publishing rights, "No. We didn't get a penny of that money," says the 3D Realms co-owner, who adds: "This, along with so much else, is 100% spin, being eaten up by those who have no clue whatsoever."
    Either way I see Duke being published "when it's done".

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  • Svartalf
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    Originally posted by xav1r View Post
    Do you really think they are worth that much? I mean, what, 6 figures for some dos era not so big name games?
    Now... What did I say before...hm?

    Just because YOU value them at less than 5 figures, doesn't mean the business or the Trustee will value them less.

    Where would anyone interested go asking for a shot at buying the rights anyways?
    Typically, if the the company goes into Chapter 11, they peddle it to other companies. If they're in Chapter 7, the Trustee will initially try to peddle it to the usual suspects and then possibly hold a sealed bid auction on it if there's no takers. The average people typically DO NOT have an in on getting to make offers on things there.

    This presumes the company files bankruptcy. If they don't, you have to know the principals or be hooked up with them. Typically, they're looking for 5 figures for most things in that situation.

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