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SDL2 Reverts Its Wayland Preference - Goes Back To X11 Default

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  • #31
    Originally posted by tildearrow View Post

    See? This is why I wish every compositor implemented the server-side decorations protocol...
    CSD supporters probably don't think one may want to move / resize windows for hanged / busy applications. Or they don't think an application may be busy or hanged.

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    • #32
      I would rather have minor inconveniences than have a space-wasting, not so good looking SSD. CSD is the best!!!!

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      • #33
        Originally posted by birdie

        Linux users: "We can hate and we love it so much!!!!!!!"
        Linux users: "It's always something other than us and Linux itself who's responsible for all our issues!!!"
        Linux users: "We've chosen an obscure open source OS, one of many, but the whole world owes us because of this choice!!!!"

        Pathetic as ever.

        13 likes from freeloaders/haters.
        No, we just say fuck you NVIDIA and buy AMD instead, why does it upset you so much?

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        • #34
          Not surprising at all. Most of Valve games are crashing when the SDL_VIDEODRIVER=wayland is set. It looks like Valve devs don't care about it.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by mdedetrich View Post

            Wow exaggerate/sensationalist much?

            Out of the 6 things on the list, you bold the one thing that is controversial? Even completely ignoring the fact that Wayland support from NVidia driver is very fresh where as everything else on that list is Linux ecosystem issues that have literally existed for years.

            The only problem here is people pushing Wayland when its clearly not ready and in reality NVidia drivers is a tiny part of that problem.
            Yeah, it is clearly not ready.
            13 years are not enough to get this garbage stable ...

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            • #36
              Originally posted by billyswong View Post

              CSD supporters probably don't think one may want to move / resize windows for hanged / busy applications. Or they don't think an application may be busy or hanged.
              Or even just close it ...

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Raka555 View Post

                Yeah, it is clearly not ready.
                13 years are not enough to get this garbage stable ...
                Wayland protocol is stable since 2012. If we talk about implememntations then it's not like X11 is flawless. Some X11 issues are present since this protocol was created over 30 years ago and some can't be even fixed without breaking compatibility.

                What is more SDL developers pretty clearly stated that their Wayland implementation is stable.

                Originally posted by Raka555 View Post

                Or even just close it ...
                Even with SSD you can't close hanged application just by clicking close button. This button is not supposed to kill application so if application is not reacting to events then it won't react to this button either.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by writequit View Post

                  No, we just say fuck you NVIDIA and buy AMD instead, why does it upset you so much?
                  That's all you can? That makes you a bunch of arseholes.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                    Wayland is still not viable, even with open source drivers. Look at this nonsense:
                    https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/6249
                    It's impossible to write games without input lag.
                    With the way things have been going these last 5 years or so, it appears The Year Of The Wayland Desktop will probably arrive in about 20 years.
                    Fun to see that the result of the tests linked in the issue shows that a modern, composited desktop on Xorg is way slower than a Wayland desktop.
                    Last edited by -MacNuke-; 19 April 2022, 05:15 AM.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by birdie View Post
                      I'll repeat this for the 50th time. That link doesn't add anything to the conversation. In what way, shape, or form do you think that's proving that Wayland's design decisions are asinine?

                      Originally posted by birdie View Post
                      Wayland is held back by its asinine design decisions and asinine implementations.
                      Not even remotely. Plus you're really not qualified to say what design decisions are or aren't asinine. You don't code. You took credit for fixing some stuff because you pointed out some bugs but other people fixed them.

                      Originally posted by birdie
                      Linux users: "We can hate and we love it so much!!!!!!!"
                      Linux users: "It's always something other than us and Linux itself who's responsible for all our issues!!!"

                      Pathetic as ever.
                      How is your sweet baby Nvidia not a huge part of the barrier to Wayland adoption? Is it Wayland's poor design that's preventing OBS from working in Wayland on their hardware? Nvidia's driver doesn't support EGL_NATIVE_RENDERABLE.

                      EGL is not part of Wayland or even really a part of Unix. It's a Khronos standard that's been around since 2003 that's used by Wayland, X11, Mir, Android, and even Blackberry 10. Nvidia themselves have contributed extensions to the standard. EGL_NATIVE_RENDERABLE has been part of the standard from the very first version. Of the aforementioned things that use EGL, X11 is the only one that predates it.

                      Are you suggesting that Nvidia isn't at fault for not supporting a property and that it's actually Wayland and OBS's fault for using a standardized API used by a bunch of other people that was already already supported by many drivers?

                      Wayland compositors currently can't support blue light rejection features in a Wayland session on Nvidia hardware. This is because Nvidia's driver doesn't support the GAMMA_LUT DRM property. They can do it in Xorg through XRANDR which is handled by the driver. In most drivers, this changes the DRM properties, in Nvidia's driver it changes a private set of properties.

                      People on Nvidia cards have looked at stuff like that and thought they must be Wayland limitations, but they're not. They're the result of bad support for Linux and EGL by Nvidia. They just mainly effect Wayland sessions. I saw mainly because Nvidia's lack of support for dma-buf and some EGL extensions prevented Firefox's Webrender and WebGL acceleration from working in both Wayland and X11 sessions for awhile.

                      Originally posted by birdie
                      Linux users: "We've chosen an obscure open source OS, one of many, but the whole world owes us because of this choice!!!!"


                      The last thing I mentioned isn't an issue with supporting an OS, it's an issue with supporting the kernel. But you're claiming that Linux OSs are obscure. How? They're deployed on not just a lot of servers but also at FX houses. It's being used by a handheld system made by one of the biggest companies in gaming and it's mentioned in all the coverage of it. I'm not gonna include Android and Chrome OS devices but those use Linux, too.

                      You'll probably claim that "Yea, well yea but if went up to a random person on the street they wouldn't know what Linux is". Many also wouldn't know what Nvidia is. That doesn't really matter though. The reality is that Nvidia and Linux are both big and important to the world of computing.

                      Most importantly when talking about Nvidia and Linux, Nvidia's makes their own development boards for their Tegra chips that run Ubuntu and even they don't use the drivers that we're given on desktop.

                      Originally posted by birdie
                      13 likes from freeloaders/haters.
                      You made an account (multiple accounts) on this site, a site about Linux and open source news, and have made countless posts about your extreme distaste for Linux users and the open source community. How are you calling us haters?

                      And how are we freeloaders? Many of us payed for Nvidia's fucking hardware and many who haven't would be willing to if it worked properly with the software they want to run.

                      OSS community: Here you go. You can use this OS and software for free. Sorry for any issues you might have on your Nvidia card. We just wish Nvidia would work with us more.
                      birdie: You fucking hateful, scumbag, freeloaders. You should be lucky Nvidia works with you at all. You think they owe you something just because they use Ubuntu on their Jetson boards? Nobody even knows who you guys are.
                      also birdie: *uses Fedora*
                      Last edited by Myownfriend; 19 April 2022, 07:10 AM.

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