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  • ThanosApostolou
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    Originally posted by ezst036 View Post

    Have you ever tried Coreboot on this motherboard?
    Sorry for late reply, according to their website https://coreboot.org/status/board-status.html my motherboard is not listed and I'm not really willing to risk bricking the machine I depend on

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  • ezst036
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    Originally posted by sinepgib View Post

    You can use TianoCore as a payload and the board will effectively be UEFI.
    Originally posted by RahulSundaram View Post

    Coreboot only does h/w initialization and doesn't directly manage the O/S initialization. That part is done by what are called "payloads". Coreboot does support optional UEFI payloads (TianoCore is one such payload). Some vendors who use coreboot support UEFI but not everyone. tldr: implementation dependent. Check the docs or ask the vendor.
    I did not know, so thank you both for the clarity.

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  • mether
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    Originally posted by ezst036 View Post

    Hello Rahul,

    Does coreboot fall under the category of a legacy BIOS or would that make a motherboard continue to be supported?
    Coreboot only does h/w initialization and doesn't directly manage the O/S initialization. That part is done by what are called "payloads". Coreboot does support optional UEFI payloads (TianoCore is one such payload). Some vendors who use coreboot support UEFI but not everyone. tldr: implementation dependent. Check the docs or ask the vendor.

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  • sinepgib
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    Originally posted by ezst036 View Post

    Have you ever tried Coreboot on this motherboard?



    Hello Rahul,

    Does coreboot fall under the category of a legacy BIOS or would that make a motherboard continue to be supported?
    You can use TianoCore as a payload and the board will effectively be UEFI.

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  • ezst036
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    Originally posted by ThanosApostolou View Post
    ......motherboard GA-970A-DS3 which only supports bios.
    Have you ever tried Coreboot on this motherboard?

    Originally posted by RahulSundaram View Post

    This is directly answered in the proposal and yes, this is only a proposal and may not ever be accepted, so let's keep that in mind as well:

    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Chang...cateLegacyBIOS
    Hello Rahul,

    Does coreboot fall under the category of a legacy BIOS or would that make a motherboard continue to be supported?

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  • finalzone
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    Originally posted by Neraxa View Post
    Fedora is the worst of the worst when it comes to user hostile distributions. Fedora wamts everone to throw out all their hardware every few years and buy all new hardware. As a result, tons of new e-waste will sit in landfills leaking heavy metals into groundwater supplies. You have to be wealthy with deep pockets to keep upgrading hardware because at a whim some jerk at Fedora things you should throw away your computer because using older hardware is not trendy or fashionable according to them. Its like these people are getting some kickback from hardware companies by forcing everyone to shell out for new hardware and throw their old hardware into landfills to pollute the environment.
    A clear definition of fear, doubt and uncertainly in that post for the sake of flaming.

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  • Neraxa
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    Fedora is the worst of the worst when it comes to user hostile distributions. Fedora wamts everone to throw out all their hardware every few years and buy all new hardware. As a result, tons of new e-waste will sit in landfills leaking heavy metals into groundwater supplies. You have to be wealthy with deep pockets to keep upgrading hardware because at a whim some jerk at Fedora things you should throw away your computer because using older hardware is not trendy or fashionable according to them. Its like these people are getting some kickback from hardware companies by forcing everyone to shell out for new hardware and throw their old hardware into landfills to pollute the environment.

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  • NotMine999
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    So the "Logan's Run" world is now becoming reality with the Fedora developers.

    A PC is obsolete at 4+ years so I guess Humans are obsolete at 30.

    But there is always a chance for renewal on carousel!

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  • sinepgib
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    Originally posted by calc View Post

    If I remember correctly the issue was that the kernel let you delete UEFI variables, which should be safe, and some manufacturer's firmware was not smart enough to reinitialize the variables after they were deleted, which led to them being bricked instead.

    Which also brings up the point that actual usable UEFI is much newer than even 2012. I have several UEFI systems that will only easily boot Windows. And on those there is no easy way to actually see the UEFI boot list that exists other than using efibootmgr under Linux, which is very tricky to even get into. The oldest UEFI system I have that has properly working UEFI boot support is from ~ 2018.
    Yep. I had an old HP from 2012 that required some hackery around naming my kernel as the Windows bootloader because it would overwrite my entries to always set that binary first. It was the only real headache of using EFIstub in that machine.

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  • arQon
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    > Which also brings up the point that actual usable UEFI is much newer than even 2012.

    Yeah, that's kinda what I was getting at.

    There are SOME machines from 2013 that have "working" UEFI (I do remember it being a big gimmick - sorry, "USP" - on gaming mobos of that era) but it sure as hell doesn't represent the majority of them, and pretty much every comment from around the time was "great, I can use a mouse in the BIOS now, such helpful - but $DEVICE doesn't f@#$king work".

    I'd have guessed 2016-ish for things to have passed the 50/50 mark for everything actually working properly, but I suspect (based on my own experience) that laptops were generally even later to the party. Your 2018 case seems pretty reasonable to me as the point at which one might reasonably expect things to "mostly work, most of the time".

    I'd forgotten that there was in fact at least a *second* UEFI bricking case too, as covered by Michael here: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...root-directory. That one was 2016, so, yeah: seems my guess was a bit optimistic. :P

    I think the important piece here though is that there's no QC for this "suggestions box" sort of proposal until after it's been made. If someone got a new laptop for college and just graduated, then unless they, yknow, did the bare minimum and actually looked into the history before spouting crap like this, they might believe that UEFI had actually been well designed and had been working for nearly a decade now.

    Frankly, I'm much more worried by Michael's flawed support of the idea: he's written *at least* two articles on how badly broken UEFI has been over the years, so of all people he should know better. Hopefully it's just the beer and not early-onset dementia.

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