Not sure how I feel about this. There are still pretty capable pre-UEFI x86-64 systems like Intel Nehalem for example. If Fedora will remove legacy bios support, it will technically make its system requirements higher than Windows 11. Yes, I don't consider the arbitary requirements set by MS as actual requirements, because I've seen people ran Windows 11 on some of the earliest x86-64 processors from 2005. The only thing that actually changed with Windows 11 is the removal of 32 bit installation media, which is what MacOS and many Linux distros already did even earlier.
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Originally posted by ThanosApostolou View PostMy main PC which I built on 2012 has fx-8150 cpu and motherboard GA-970A-DS3 which only supports bios. And with current prices I'm not going to buy a new one at least until early 2023... This is one of the main reason I abandoned fedora when I was distro hopping and I use arch since then. They deprecate things way too fast. They removed 32bit support when I still had one 32bit laptop then (thankfully not anymore)... they stopped supporting 32bit uefi when I just had put fedora on a intel tablet with 32bit uefi (now it runs arch thx to awesome arch wiki)... They remove software from the repositories way too soon while enterprise and academic software still depends on it... Thankfully with things like distrobox and if fedora toolbox supports more distributions other than fedora in the future it won't be so important (I'm thinking about trying silverblue/kinoite in maybe 1-2 years).
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This is really bad and far too early. Whoever came up with this idea doesn't want to deprecate BIOS support, they want to deprecate tens of millions of perfectly working PCs and laptops.
I love how forward-looking Fedora has always been but this is not when you do it. If they go through with the plan, it might also make Fedora a lot less popular and it's not like the distro is well known - Ubuntu and its derivatives have been all the rage in the past decade.
Originally posted by user1 View PostNot sure how I feel about this. There are still pretty capable pre-UEFI x86-64 systems like Intel Nehalem for example. If Fedora will remove legacy bios support, it will technically make its system requirements higher than Windows 11. Yes, I don't consider the arbitary requirements set by MS as actual requirements, because I've seen people ran Windows 11 on some of the earliest x86-64 processors from 2005. The only thing that actually changed with Windows 11 is the removal of 32 bit installation media, which is what MacOS and many Linux distros already did even earlier.Last edited by birdie; 05 April 2022, 02:58 PM.
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Originally posted by risho View Post
if you want to run decade old hardware then maybe a bleeding edge distro that is known to be paving the path toward the future before anyone else and who is the first to deprecate legacy stuff just isn't the distro for you.
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Originally posted by user1 View PostNot sure how I feel about this. There are still pretty capable pre-UEFI x86-64 systems like Intel Nehalem for example. If Fedora will remove legacy bios support, it will technically make its system requirements higher than Windows 11. Yes, I don't consider the arbitary requirements set by MS as actual requirements, because I've seen people ran Windows 11 on some of the earliest x86-64 processors from 2005. The only thing that changed with Windows 11 is the removal of 32 bit installation media, which is what MacOS and many Linux distros already did even earlier.
Likely you could still unofficially get a Fedora setup working with a BIOS bootloader. But unlike Windows, Linux gives you the choice of various distros, so you're free to run some form of Linux on hardware much older than that. Slackware claims to work on a 486, and Gentoo lists the same for running the "minimal CD".
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Originally posted by birdie
Not higher, Windows 11 requires an x86-64 CPU, UEFI, secure boot, and TPM 2.0. Fedora according to this plan will "only" require EFI and x86-64.
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Windows 11 requirements are not optional. Your hacks are just that hacks: they will allow you to install the OS but then you're on your own. No support for you, no updates and very possible breakage. Microsoft has already done that in the past (disabled updates for new Intel and AMD systems on Windows 7 and 8) - I'm not sure why they allowed these hacks to even exist for Windows 11. To work around WU in Windows 7 and 8 you had to patch the system hard.
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Originally posted by birdie View Post
Microsoft has already done that in the past (disabled updates for new Intel and AMD systems on Windows 7 and 8) - I'm not sure why they allowed these hacks to even exist for Windows 11. To work around WU in Windows 7 and 8 you had to patch the system hard.
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Originally posted by Danny3 View PostThis is stupid, it's too soon!
Glad I'm not a Fedora user
What does the fact of being a state-of-the-art distribution have to do with bios - legacy support?
You don't need a new PC to run Fedora, it has never been like this!
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