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  • mSparks
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    Originally posted by tyolotd View Post

    Wow thanks for telling me I've been having no fun all of this time. I guess it must really suck when I start up Fortnite or Warzone and it just works. I thought I was having fun playing every game on Steam and every single game not on Steam, but I guess it sucks and I've been living in pain. Again, thanks for telling me! I didn't know!
    Tell me you don't understand the difference between windows and fortnite without telling me you don't understand the difference between windows and fortnite.

    Love to know why you chose to play with people who mostly cheat at fortnite tho, couldnt be because you like to cheat in fortnite could it?
    Last edited by mSparks; 17 March 2022, 08:26 PM.

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  • tyolotd
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    Originally posted by mSparks View Post
    Windows is just broken in so many ways its just not worth the time and effort, games are supposed to be fun, absolutely nothing is fun about windows unless you are one of those who loves the feeling of sticking your hand in a meat grinder.
    Wow thanks for telling me I've been having no fun all of this time. I guess it must really suck when I start up Fortnite or Warzone and it just works. I thought I was having fun playing every game on Steam and every single game not on Steam, but I guess it sucks and I've been living in pain. Again, thanks for telling me! I didn't know!

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  • Rabiator
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    Originally posted by mSparks View Post
    There is a learning curve coming from keyboard mouse. But at the end of it, the main difference you will notice is you can use a controller lounging on the couch rather than sat at a desk - with friends.
    [...]
    Occasionally I sit in front of a windows machine, and am very quickly reminded what a steaming pile of shite it became after windows 7 - which is why I find the whole "windows gaming" meme so gnawing - there are no good reasons to have such an unpleasant gaming experience as you get on windows - pirating and cheating are not good reasons.
    I suspect the controller would remain a mixed blessing. On one hand, there are quite a few people who say keyboard/mouse are supreme in FPS. On the other hand, I have often found keyboard control unsatisfactory for controlling vehicles in games. Because that means either maximum or zero steering angle, nothing in between.

    Sadly, choice in input options is often neglected by game developers on the PC. Because apparently the PC as such can handle the controller hardware, at least the PS5 controller. There is a Linux driver, and there are HOWTOs on the net for using the controller with Windows.

    About the Windows part, I will admit to some "luddite-ness":
    My Windows partition is still Windows 7. Because I agree about the steaming pile of shite after Windows 7. But I have been postponing my next PC upgrade for a while now, and depending on what I buy lack of drivers may force the end of Win7 anyway. The GPU will be either AMD or Intel ARC, Nvidia is out. Surprisingly there is a Win7 driver for AMD's RX 6600 series. For Intel ARC it seems unlikely.

    Edit / update:
    War Thunder runs under Steam on my old machine now. Did not even need fiddling with the configuration. The number of games that work only on Windows for me is indeed shrinking.
    Last edited by Rabiator; 13 March 2022, 05:18 PM.

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  • mSparks
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    Originally posted by Rabiator View Post
    I'm not sure about the controller vs. keyboard/mouse thing, I would have to try some games on the console to see what works better.
    There is a learning curve coming from keyboard mouse. But at the end of it, the main difference you will notice is you can use a controller lounging on the couch rather than sat at a desk - with friends.

    Originally posted by Rabiator View Post
    are PC only though. ..... If I pirate stuff it is between me and my own conscience. If others pirate theirs, I don't consider myself responsible.
    Yeah, and it's lovely to have a clear conscience. I'm not "anti" PC gaming in any way, play a lot of CSGO now (on Linux) since they scrubbed the free ranking path and a lot of the cheaters disappeared from the match ups.

    I got a console after playing with friends to play with friends - dumped windows gaming very soon after, even tho I still used windows for some stuff. Now I don't have a windows machine in the house, and am Linux desktop, Mac mobile, very happy with all of them. Occasionally I sit in front of a windows machine, and am very quickly reminded what a steaming pile of shite it became after windows 7 - which is why I find the whole "windows gaming" meme so gnawing - there are no good reasons to have such an unpleasant gaming experience as you get on windows - pirating and cheating are not good reasons.

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  • Rabiator
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    Originally posted by mSparks View Post

    There are many, many more (and of higher quality) that only run on Playstation or Switch. Mostly because Windows is great for pirates and cheaters, so it doesn't get any exclusive titles any more (except from Microsoft, but good grief they have low standards).
    So still not a good reason to play in the same sandpit as pirates and cheaters.
    OK, lets check. I took a look around the Playstation store, and there is more available than I expected. So far so good. Some games I like and already bought (mostly over Steam) are PC only though.

    I'm not sure about the controller vs. keyboard/mouse thing, I would have to try some games on the console to see what works better.

    And finally, I play quite a bit of single player/offline games. Cheaters are irrelevant there. If I pirate stuff it is between me and my own conscience. If others pirate theirs, I don't consider myself responsible.

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  • mSparks
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    Originally posted by Rabiator View Post
    There are still games that don't run well or don't run at all on Linux. Some examples:
    There are many, many more (and of higher quality) that only run on Playstation or Switch. Mostly because Windows is great for pirates and cheaters, so it doesn't get any exclusive titles any more (except from Microsoft, but good grief they have low standards).

    World of Tanks:
    https://store.playstation.com/en-us/...60971101071150

    War Thunder
    https://store.playstation.com/en-us/...73548409910606

    So still not a good reason to play in the same sandpit as pirates and cheaters.

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  • Rabiator
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    Originally posted by mSparks View Post
    Windows is great for pirates and cheaters.

    And being a windows gamer generally suggests to me you are one or both, because otherwise you would go out of your way not to play in the same sandpit as them.
    There are still games that don't run well or don't run at all on Linux. Some examples:
    • World Of Tanks. Running with WINE on my 10 yr. old machine, it has pretty poor frame rates while it runs at a solid 70 fps on Windows. I know it works better for others, my brother has no issues on his machine. Perhaps future Mesa or driver updates will make a difference, but for now it is still something I boot into Windows for.
    • War Thunder. Used to demand a proprietary graphics driver not older than 6 months under WINE. Not gonna happen for one game. I'm on AMD, the Open Source driver is working fine and I don't want to go back to the prop. driver. Right now I'm trying again under Proton, but WT does just hang.
    • EAC protected games in general: Windows-only versions generally refuse to run under WINE, because they "recognize" the environment as manipulated. There is now EAC support for WINE/Proton, but the developers have to actively include it.
    I check from time to time, and the percentage of my Steam Library that works fine on Linux is growing. But we are not quite at the point where I'm willing to wipe Windows off my system.
    Last edited by Rabiator; 12 March 2022, 05:46 PM.

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  • mSparks
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    Originally posted by Paradigm Shifter View Post
    Not everyone is interested in online games; me included.

    And I'm sure the millions of PC gamers like me who aren't pirates or cheaters, and want to play games that aren't on consoles greatly appreciate you being a bigot and libeling them all.
    120 million steam users (basically everyone with a PC capable of gaming)
    Of 1 billion or so gamers.

    There hasnt been a big windows only game now for 15 years or more.

    "keyboard and mouse" isnt a reason to use windows if you are playing offline, definately not a good enough reason to play online with people who probably pirated the game and almost certainly have cheats installed.

    A defensive "Not me" doesnt gain you any respect tbh, at best you are to naive to understand that (like xbox one) is the main reason people still game on windows rather than cheaper, superior consoles that have completely locked them out.

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  • Paradigm Shifter
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    edit: Forget it, it's not worth discussing further with you.

    edit2: OK, you obviously saw and quoted before I edited, so I'll put the post back as was.

    Originally posted by mSparks View Post
    I'm generally condescending to people who promote gaming on windows over the alternatives, because as far as I can see there is only two reasons to game on windows.

    Windows is great for pirates and cheaters.

    And being a windows gamer generally suggests to me you are one or both, because otherwise you would go out of your way not to play in the same sandpit as them.
    Not everyone is interested in online games; me included.

    And I'm sure the millions of PC gamers like me who aren't pirates or cheaters, and want to play games that aren't on consoles greatly appreciate you being a bigot and libeling them all.
    Last edited by Paradigm Shifter; 08 March 2022, 11:59 PM.

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  • mSparks
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    Originally posted by Paradigm Shifter View Post


    I'm sure you're old enough to realise how condescending and arrogant you sound here - particularly in your last comment.
    I'm generally condescending to people who promote gaming on windows over the alternatives, because as far as I can see there is only two reasons to game on windows.

    Windows is great for pirates and cheaters.

    And being a windows gamer generally suggests to me you are one or both, because otherwise you would go out of your way not to play in the same sandpit as them.

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