VKD3D 1.3 Being Prepared For Release

[Quackdoc]

Thank you Quackdoc. That was very informative. I had no idea that there were quirks in Proton that deprecate conformity. I see that things are much more complicated than I realized.

same situation with dxvk. everyone complains about wanting dxvk to be upstream wine d3d implementation, but both dxvk devs and wine devs say that it will never happen, because dxvk makes compromises that wine cannot accept for technical reasons.

[muncrief]

see my reply above

Thank you Quackdoc. That was very informative. I had no idea that there were quirks in Proton that deprecate conformity. I see that things are much more complicated than I realized.

[Quackdoc]

I was wondering that myself. I thought everything was open source and upstreaming was just a matter of timing. So that Valve would develop something and put it into Proton immediately, and regular Wine would incorporate it a few weeks or months later.

Can some knowledgeable poster let us know how the development of Proton and Wine are integrated or not integrated? I'm confused.

see my reply above

[muncrief]

Is there any effort to upstreaming the work in VKD3D-Proton (similar how to many Proton changes get upstreamed into Wine) or are they pretty much fully separate libraries at this point?

I was wondering that myself. I thought everything was open source and upstreaming was just a matter of timing. So that Valve would develop something and put it into Proton immediately, and regular Wine would incorporate it a few weeks or months later.

Can some knowledgeable poster let us know how the development of Proton and Wine are integrated or not integrated? I'm confused.

[Quackdoc]

Is there any effort to upstreaming the work in VKD3D-Proton (similar how to many Proton changes get upstreamed into Wine) or are they pretty much fully separate libraries at this point?

lots of work gets upstreamed. but since people don't understand the difference between the two ill explain it. Wine is used in commercial and enterprise (like crossover) software . this means they have stability obligations to keep. even on staging branch. You can think of "wine-staging (vkd3d included)" as a testing branch, and vkd3d-proton as a rolling release branch. but even without obligations, the end goal is still accuracy.

there is another distinction, vkd3d-proton houses a bunch of hacks that will never get accepted upstream that greatly help gaming performance. but can hurt conformance. which means this would actively be a bad think for wine to upstream. (as their goal is conformance) (Think of android emulation or early dolphin emulation where their are Emu and EMU-MMJ)

Oh yeah, I forgot about the Topaz stuff. IIRC the project its derived from, SRGAN, was based around CUDA/pytorch, and some of the other active derivatives (see this, this, and this) use ncnn/vulkan backends. I think you'd be better off using those kinda projects on linux, especially if you have a Nvidia GPU.


Open-source upscaling that actually uses adjacent frames is a bit behind VEAI, last time I checked. You don't necessarily want that though, as sometimes its better to leave the inter frame processing to less janky traditional filters.

VEAI is actually pretty darn good. it all has it's uses (mainly for AMD LOL) but it also has somethings it beats out on, somethings it looses on. with AI upscaling there is no "best answer" just "this one worked the best for this input"

but there are other examples but none that I remember, so maybe not good ones

[brucethemoose]

Off the top of my head, would be topaz labs VEAI. but thats all I can think of atm lol. but its a good one imo

Oh yeah, I forgot about the Topaz stuff. IIRC the project its derived from, SRGAN, was based around CUDA/pytorch, and some of the other active derivatives (see this, this, and this) use ncnn/vulkan backends. I think you'd be better off using those kinda projects on linux, especially if you have a Nvidia GPU.


Open-source upscaling that actually uses adjacent frames is a bit behind VEAI, last time I checked. You don't necessarily want that though, as sometimes its better to leave the inter frame processing to less janky traditional filters.

[QwertyChouskie]

Is there any effort to upstreaming the work in VKD3D-Proton (similar how to many Proton changes get upstreamed into Wine) or are they pretty much fully separate libraries at this point?

[Quackdoc]

Out of curiosity, which ones?

Test benches of DirectML I've seen have been disappointing, but I don't actually know of any user-facing apps that need it.

Off the top of my head, would be topaz labs VEAI. but thats all I can think of atm lol. but its a good one imo

[brucethemoose]

One of the features I would like is DirectML. needed for a few compute programs that would be really nice to have

Out of curiosity, which ones?

Test benches of DirectML I've seen have been disappointing, but I don't actually know of any user-facing apps that need it.

[shmerl]

So HLSL shader compiler will be finally ready?