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  • ix900
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    Originally posted by kfriesth View Post
    I've been playing windows games and apps in linux for many years, have never seen a survey. I converted my parents and other family members and manage their systems still no survey...just saying
    Always someone says this lol. Same thing happens on Windows or whatever OS. Its how it is. Live with it.

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  • mozo
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    Originally posted by mdedetrich View Post
    Linux is never going to make a significant dent in the Windows gaming/Steam ecosystem until Linux users have a reliable way to get he latest graphics drivers (regardless of their Linux version/distribution) and hence for graphics card manufacturers to actually be able to quickly fix their graphics drivers without needing to go through Linux kernel maintainers.

    This is why the majority of people game on Windows and not on Linux, Linux is way too monolithic and inflexible for the gaming ecosystem. Games are complex and being able to deliver fixes quickly (regardless of the environment that the user is running in) is of critical importance.
    Install Arch, it's flexible enough. I have being gaming for 15 years on Linux, the experience is great.

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  • kfriesth
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    I've been playing windows games and apps in linux for many years, have never seen a survey. I converted my parents and other family members and manage their systems still no survey...just saying

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  • jaxa
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    Maybe Windows 11 will drive a few more people to Linux.

    Originally posted by TemplarGR View Post
    Daily reminder that i have never witnessed a steam survey on my client on Linux. Just this summer sale i spent 170 euros on linux native games, still no survey. There is something fishy going on here.
    Why does it need to be a "survey"? Can't they just detect all the specs for all the users? I haven't used Steam much so I don't know about it.

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  • mdedetrich
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    Linux is never going to make a significant dent in the Windows gaming/Steam ecosystem until Linux users have a reliable way to get he latest graphics drivers (regardless of their Linux version/distribution) and hence for graphics card manufacturers to actually be able to quickly fix their graphics drivers without needing to go through Linux kernel maintainers.

    This is why the majority of people game on Windows and not on Linux, Linux is way too monolithic and inflexible for the gaming ecosystem. Games are complex and being able to deliver fixes quickly (regardless of the environment that the user is running in) is of critical importance.

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  • mozo
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    Blah, blah, blah and again blah, blah, blah. It's extremely easy to run native Linux games. It's million times easier than on Windows. It's easy to play Windows games too and sometimes even easier than on Windows. And update your info about DLSS, nasty troll.
    Last edited by mozo; 02 July 2021, 11:00 AM.

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  • avem
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    Originally posted by chocolate View Post
    Proton works better
    Better how?

    And what about NVIDIA/AMD Drivers Control Panels 95% of whose features are not available under Linux?
    What about undervolting/fan curves/power limiting under Linux out of the box? Without using weird repos from github with software no one can vouch for?
    What about anticheat solutions? Do they work under Linux?
    What about RTX/DLSS support? OK, the latter is proprietary but the former is a standard and implemented in Vulkan as well.
    What about proper OSD monitoring? Yeah, mongohud exists, what about configuring it using UI without editing and debugging god knows what text files? Oh, and mongohud doesn't always work, sometimes it's mangohud app, sometimes it's MANGOHUD=1 vkcube, sometimes it's MANGOHUD_DLSYM=1 mangohud glxgears.

    You see, under Windows I install MSI Afterburner and I'm done. It works for AMD and NVIDIA. Everything in once place, easily configurable with a ton of options.

    Again, Linux gaming is for those who have too much spare time and want to constantly learn and adapt. Under Windows it's "Install" followed by "Run".

    And people wonder why Linux gaming doesn't take off. No everyone around is eager to dabble with command line and Googling to make things work. Some just want to play as they have more pressing issues in their lives.

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  • writequit
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    Thanks Gabe!

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  • chocolate
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    Originally posted by avem View Post

    The amount of time people spend tinkering with Linux, setting it right, fighting its issues, making games work costs a lot more than $50.

    Windows on the other hand has been "install and forget about it" for more than a decade now. Windows even updates drivers for you nowadays.
    As you say in a later post, anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
    But the anecdotal evidence of so many people on ProtonDB compared to that of Windows users on Steam per-game discussions is that Proton works better in pretty much all games where there's no tinkering involved, especially so for older games in the realm of D3D9. Please mind this is my impression after exploring per-game discussions of about a hundred games.
    When there's tinkering involved, then it becomes subjective whether the effort that has to be put into each game is worth not having to deal with Windows.
    I mention Proton because, let's be honest, that's where the good stuff is at the moment.

    As a (hopefully) fun additional anecdote, I recently completed Sunset Overdrive via Proton -- it was originally an Xbox exclusive published by Microsoft!

    Cheers and happy gaming.

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  • stormcrow
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    Originally posted by mozo View Post

    Good joke. Linux was always "install and forget about it" unlike Windows. And Linux automatically installs and upgrades the drivers for decades. Educate yourself.
    A) Not a joke. There's more fiddling with Linux to tweak things to suit for many people, just because you don't have the problem doesn't mean others don't. B) The main reason Windows dominates is because it comes on new PCs and only about 1% (of Steam's gamers at least) have a reason to take the effort to change that, even assuming they know there's an alternative. C) Microsoft/Office 365, while it can be used on Linux (via browser) the best use is either on Windows or Mac. Add up A, B, & C few developers cares about developing for Linux unless they're already in the free software culture and/or writing software for server systems, not clients. Why bother changing your OS as a gamer when your favorite game runs better on the OS that came with your computer. When I say better, it's not just frame rates. It's also graphical features (let's face it, most games are using OpenGL for cross platform and its feature and quality is utter garbage), game play features, frame stuttering and other long lived bugs in Linux. People shouldn't have to deal with any of it. Not saying Windows is bug free, I'm saying Linux as a gaming platform is worse.

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