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  • aht0
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    ArMA 3, KOTH 1944 mod?

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  • zxy_thf
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    Originally posted by aht0 View Post

    Do you really want to install software of Russian/Belorussian origin?
    Good question. Well, it's not so easy to find fighter simulator that does not belong to this category (DCS world is also russian).
    I think steam games have been sandboxed with flatpak Steam?

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  • aht0
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    Originally posted by zxy_thf View Post
    To name a few more titles. World of Tanks, World of Warships and War Thunder (a Vulkan backend is WIP, though).
    They are all mainly using DX9 for wider player base (at least before I afk).
    Do you really want to install software of Russian/Belorussian origin?

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  • itoffshore
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    A low Linux % will also be due to GPU passthrough with VFIO being mature now. Performance is a little better than proton & is a lot less fiddly per game.

    On an FX 8370 / Rx 570 I can play without stutter in a KVM Windows 10 VM:
    • The Division
    • Rise of the Tomb Raider
    • Hitman
    • Dishonored 2
    • Watch Dogs
    • Sleeping Dogs
    • Fallout 4
    • Doom
    • Battlefield 1 & 4
    The trick is to use real time schedulers on the pinned cores & on iothreads.
    Last edited by itoffshore; 06 February 2019, 01:35 PM.

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  • zxy_thf
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    Originally posted by Michael_S View Post
    Sorry, I didn't make my point clearly. I don't think any company is writing games for DX9 today or even in the last three years. I'm just saying that even 5 years ago companies were still targeting DX9 to reach wider audiences, and those games are still around and popular. I'm sure the next Battlefield, Call of Duty, Star Wars Battlefront, etc... etc... won't work with those. But World of Warcraft and League of Legends and similar are still popular and as far as I know still compatible with DX9.
    To name a few more titles. World of Tanks, World of Warships and War Thunder (a Vulkan backend is WIP, though).
    They are all mainly using DX9 for wider player base (at least before I afk).

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  • Michael_S
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    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

    According to Steam more people are using DX8 and earlier cards, 1.9% of users, which is a factor of almost 20 times more than DX9 cards, which are at .12% to .13% of users at best. DX10 is 3.9%, DX11 is 5.8%, and DX12 is 88.2%.

    Why would they pick DX9 these days to target the widest possible audience? Linux is a better target with 7 times more users.

    My math is guesstimated.
    Sorry, I didn't make my point clearly. I don't think any company is writing games for DX9 today or even in the last three years. I'm just saying that even 5 years ago companies were still targeting DX9 to reach wider audiences, and those games are still around and popular. I'm sure the next Battlefield, Call of Duty, Star Wars Battlefront, etc... etc... won't work with those. But World of Warcraft and League of Legends and similar are still popular and as far as I know still compatible with DX9.

    Originally posted by skeeyv420
    Some people I know who own a local business just this year upgraded from Windows XP to Windows 7. The only reason they did is that they bought a used PC that came with 7 after their XP machine caught too many STDs and died. I can't tell y'all how many times I fixed that POS. I had to do the embedded XP trick and all sorts of oddball shit to keep that thing working over the past few years. It was a nightmare.

    Until then, they had a PC guy from a local repair shop, who eventually refused to do business with them, because XP was out of date and they'd blame him and not the OS for their problems (it was them and the OS causing their problems) and that he didn't know of any way to fix it for them. I was 5ft away and just said "you know you can just tweak the registry and it'll get updates from MS for 5 more years. It's not the best solution, but it works and it'll solve your problem." A few weeks after that, that guy just quit returning their calls...can't say that I blame him because they're straight up Luddites...only reason I help them is because I've known them since I was 3 or 4.

    They're a mom and pop type operation and they don't rely on any single piece of Windows software. BSD would work for them since all they do is eBay, Amazon, email, and Facebook. I've offered to convert them to Linux or upgrade to Windows 10 for free. I've explained to them about MS dropping support...in one ear and out the other every single time with them saying dumbass stuff like "Well, it works for me so I don't want to change."
    My experience is that some people - especially people that grew up without computers, but also a few people younger than that - treat computer and smart device user interfaces like a religious ritual. They don't think in terms of "this is a desktop" and "this is a file" and "this is a shortcut", just in discrete ordered steps to accomplish task. "Click in the thing that looks like that. Then move the mouse and click the thing that looks like this. Then type a password. Then..." and since they have no understanding of the underlying metaphors and features, changes to the user experience are a huge deal and not worth it.

    On my mother's laptop, we set up all of the shortcuts the applications she uses as links on the desktop. If you took one of those shortcuts and moved it an inch away from its previous location, she can't find it. A few years ago a software update to some application changed one of the shortcuts. Maybe Internet Explorer went from "IE" to "Explorer" or maybe the color scheme in the Firefox icon changed slightly. I don't remember what happened. She lost her mind, freaking out that she couldn't figure out how computers work. She can drive, balance a checkbook, price compare offers for car insurance, calculate mortgage interest rates, and do itemized deductions on a tax return but if she lives long enough for Windows 7 to die me and the rest of her siblings are dreading the thought of setting her up with something else. I wouldn't dream of giving her a Chromebook or Windows 10. I might be able to set her up with Xubuntu using one of those Windows-knock-off themes. As long as I put every desktop icon in the same place and use the same fonts, she might be fooled.

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  • dungeon
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    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

    However long the support is, Kubuntu is a good choice for someone who is used to Windows and only does crap on Firefox or Chrome. IMHO, any decently done Plasma or XFCE desktop makes a good introduction to Linux desktops for Windows users.
    Every is OK, but any of these is better to upgrade on at least 2 years (to make upstream happy and not to become too much ancient) and that is recommended and default.

    "Neither is staying more for everybody - neither is rolling for everybody" i like to say, but options are there so... as always if one know what he is doing, better for him
    Last edited by dungeon; 03 February 2019, 07:10 AM.

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  • skeevy420
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    Originally posted by Michael_S View Post

    There are still thousands of DX9 titles, because a lot of game companies would rather reach the widest possible audience than take advantage of the improvements in newer API versions.
    According to Steam more people are using DX8 and earlier cards, 1.9% of users, which is a factor of almost 20 times more than DX9 cards, which are at .12% to .13% of users at best. DX10 is 3.9%, DX11 is 5.8%, and DX12 is 88.2%.

    Why would they pick DX9 these days to target the widest possible audience? Linux is a better target with 7 times more users.

    My math is guesstimated.

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  • Michael_S
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    Originally posted by aht0 View Post

    Only DX9 titles.. Oldest Windows supporting DX10 is Vista, and that is also EOL by now.
    There are still thousands of DX9 titles, because a lot of game companies would rather reach the widest possible audience than take advantage of the improvements in newer API versions.

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  • aht0
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    Originally posted by lectrode View Post
    If you run the Steam client on Windows XP (or WINE set to emulate Windows XP) it has a red banner at the top saying that XP is no longer supported. However, it doesn't prevent you from using the software just because it's not officially supported. You can game on Windows XP to your heart's desire if you really want to, and apparently some still do (though, that could potentially include some Wine users emulating Windows XP if they have Wine configured to hide the fact that it's Wine).
    Only DX9 titles.. Oldest Windows supporting DX10 is Vista, and that is also EOL by now.

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