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  • #11
    Originally posted by Naib View Post
    the "alternatives" are init system NOT system dictators.
    so you too didn't read article and do not understand that we are discussing user sessions

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Naib View Post
      the "alternatives" are init system NOT system dictators.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by pal666 View Post
        so you too didn't read article and do not understand that we are discussing user sessions
        It seems you did not read my reply in the context of what I was quoting... Try that before going full retard


        Also.. LolSystemD wanting others to change their code rather than fixing the real issue...
        https://github.com/tmux/tmux/issues/428
        @keszybv
        why don't you fix systemd instead of forcing other programs to add systemd specific code?
        Or somebody could go find the actual problem @keszybz saw here - systemd/systemd#3005 - which is:

        In particular, for my gnome session, if I log out, without KillUserProcesses=yes I get some processes which are obviously mistakes. Even if I log in again, I'm much better starting those again cleanly.
        fix that, and stop trying to make systemd break the world because somebody's gnome session doesn't currently exit cleanly.
        http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.t...849/focus=1856
        LolSystemd...

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Naib View Post
          It seems you did not read my reply in the context of what I was quoting...
          imbecile, you was quoting my question about user sessions
          Originally posted by Naib View Post
          Also.. LolSystemD wanting others to change their code rather than fixing the real issue...
          https://github.com/tmux/tmux/issues/428
          standard practice of fixing broken software. contrary to anti-systemd idiots, who propose to do nothing and wait while all non-exiting software will fix itself, smart people(systemd developers) could provide patches
          Last edited by pal666; 28 May 2016, 07:45 PM.

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          • #15
            Ultimatedly, people who hate systemd aren't using it anymore.

            Most of us kinda adjusted to all the shit it comes with and after masking nearly every worthless systemd unit you get systemd-journald, systemd-udevd and maybe systemd-networkd.
            At least that's how I fixed my problems with systemd, by removing everything but bare miminum.
            I actually kinda like journald features, udev is kinda necessity and networkd has one of the fastest dhcp clients out there.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by davidbepo View Post

              i was referring to upstart or sysvinit

              i havent tried nor do i know about the architecture of openrc or runit
              My Slack box runs sysvinit and boots up within 12 seconds. Doesn't seem slow to me.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by SilverMachine View Post

                My Slack box runs sysvinit and boots up within 12 seconds. Doesn't seem slow to me.
                does it have an ssd because if yes my laptop with one boots in 7 seconds

                and if not WOW

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by pal666 View Post
                  imbecile, you was quoting my question about user sessions
                  since your special little snowflake brain is unable to follow a quote conversation no deeper than 1...

                  Originally posted by davidbepo View Post
                  like some systemd haters said its starting to mess things, which is unfortunate cause it speedups boot process and has some advantages

                  the setting is logical but it should have a whitelist
                  Originally posted by caligula View Post

                  Just for the record, the alternatives aren't that slow. My Raspberry Pi 1 boots almost as fast as my Haswell system although it uses runit as init.
                  Originally posted by pal666 View Post
                  do your "alternatives" run user sessions (which are the point of subject article)?
                  Originally posted by Naib View Post
                  the "alternatives" are init system NOT system dictators.
                  Do you see the progression... I was refuting the point of "user sessions" as what was being discussed was INIT and the alternatives are fast... runit, openrc


                  Originally posted by pal666 View Post

                  standard practice of fixing broken software. contrary to anti-systemd idiots, who propose to do nothing and wait while all non-exiting software will fix itself, smart people(systemd developers) could provide patches
                  Standard practice when you break something isn't to get everyone else to change to your retarded breakage, its to fix your shit. SysD tried this before with the debug keyword and equally firmware loading farce they created with udev ... linus liked that didnt he...

                  Sure systemd are trying to "fix" problems.. some real, some perceived. But their viewport is a small desktop viewport and damned to those running anything else.


                  All this under the guise of "session management" and processes not being killed by GDM... Why isn't GDM getting fixed rather "requesting" proper daemon() calling application pooling in linux-specific calls (remember tmux isn't just a linux application).



                  Just checking how my Openbox launched (via lightDM) handles "sessions" while also ensuring a tmux session exists:
                  logged in as root in a VT and ps - u ... pre-quitting openbox
                  Code:
                    PID TTY          TIME CMD
                   4546 ?        00:00:18 openbox
                   4557 ?        00:00:00 dbus-launch
                   4558 ?        00:00:00 dbus-daemon
                   4560 ?        00:00:00 at-spi-bus-laun
                   4565 ?        00:00:00 dbus-daemon
                   4567 ?        00:00:00 at-spi2-registr
                   4572 ?        00:00:00 dbus-launch
                   4573 ?        00:00:00 dbus-daemon
                   4587 ?        00:00:00 sh
                   4590 ?        00:00:00 sh
                   4594 ?        00:00:00 sh
                   4602 ?        01:48:04 DiscordCanary
                   4603 ?        00:04:18 skype
                   4604 ?        00:00:00 polkit-gnome-au
                   4611 ?        00:00:00 gvfsd
                   4614 ?        00:26:33 pulseaudio
                   4619 ?        00:00:00 DiscordCanary
                   4660 ?        00:00:00 urxvt
                   4675 ?        00:02:04 conky
                   4699 ?        00:00:04 DiscordCanary
                   4705 pts/0    00:00:00 bash
                   4730 ?        00:00:23 DiscordCanary
                   4769 ?        00:00:00 bash
                   4770 ?        00:00:12 lxpanel
                   4779 ?        00:00:00 bash
                   4780 ?        00:00:00 tee
                   4812 ?        00:00:00 gvfs-udisks2-vo
                   4885 ?        00:01:59 steam
                   4889 ?        00:00:00 menu-cached
                   5029 ?        00:00:00 steam
                   5030 ?        00:00:11 steamwebhelper
                   5033 ?        00:00:00 steamwebhelper
                   5353 ?        00:00:00 gconfd-2
                   5486 ?        00:00:32 steamwebhelper
                   7179 ?        00:00:00 urxvt
                   7180 pts/1    00:00:00 bash
                  11590 ?        00:00:00 xdg-open
                  11654 ?        00:02:42 chrome
                  11661 ?        00:00:00 cat
                  11662 ?        00:00:00 cat
                  11665 ?        00:00:00 chrome
                  11666 ?        00:00:00 nacl_helper
                  11669 ?        00:00:00 chrome
                  11754 ?        00:00:58 chrome
                  11765 ?        00:00:00 chrome
                  11781 ?        00:00:01 chrome
                  11860 ?        00:00:25 chrome
                  11866 ?        00:00:12 chrome
                  11880 ?        00:00:07 chrome
                  11882 ?        00:00:00 chrome
                  11887 ?        00:00:11 chrome
                  11892 ?        00:00:00 chrome
                  11907 ?        00:00:17 chrome
                  11972 ?        00:00:25 nacl_helper
                  12017 ?        00:00:04 chrome
                  12022 ?        00:00:02 chrome
                  12024 ?        00:00:01 chrome
                  12027 ?        00:00:04 chrome
                  12784 ?        00:00:05 chrome
                  13018 ?        00:00:10 chrome
                  13042 ?        00:01:04 chrome
                  13390 ?        00:00:45 chrome
                  13439 ?        00:00:17 chrome
                  13869 ?        00:00:10 chrome
                  13920 ?        00:00:00 urxvt
                  13921 pts/2    00:00:00 bash
                  14334 pts/2    00:00:00 tmux
                  14336 ?        00:00:00 tmux
                  14337 pts/3    00:00:00 bash
                  post-quitting openbox
                  Code:
                    PID TTY          TIME CMD
                  14336 ?        00:00:00 tmux
                  14337 pts/3    00:00:00 bash
                  OMG the user processes have been cleaned... a non-issue for a sane setup. But sure carry on advocating stubs being placed into applications that correctly setsid and daemon calls... ignoring poor high system architecture fails... You go girl, you carry on pushing stupid, like the whole /usr farce and initramfs..

                  Validating what a session manage, daemon manager, desktop manager is requirements 101 and YET Systemd developers and advocates consistently overlook at it and when poor design decisions come to fruition RATHER than correcting their mistakes they expect others to change.
                  If things need to change then change, but to facilitate the perpetuation of retarded design decisions (in this case.. systemd, dbus, gdm...) is taking liberties too far.
                  Last edited by Naib; 29 May 2016, 11:18 AM.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by davidbepo View Post

                    does it have an ssd because if yes my laptop with one boots in 7 seconds

                    and if not WOW
                    yeah with ssd/uefi/systemd/plasma i boot within one second, on a cold boot 2-3 seconds. Although my kernel is very custom and lean. Still a "systemd hater" as you people call it.

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                    • #20
                      That whole boot-up time argument... the one person I know in person who actually used that as an argument for systemd saw me boot from a USB stick with sysvinit on Debian wheezy, and accused me of using a fast USB3 thumb drive to get the boot speed I had. Nope, just plain old USB 2 thumb stick I got for free at a dev conference at some point (with the Microsoft TM on it - so it's well suited for a bootable Debian install!).

                      Even if on old systems with mechanical HDDs where a few seconds might possibly be saved... it's not an argument for the massive (and always increasing) scope systemd is trying to fill. I too am in the process of tinkering with GuixSD, and expect to switch when it's more mature - probably late this year or next year.

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