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  • ElectricPrism
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    Originally posted by andre30correia View Post

    mir works great in my phone
    upstart? since every distro switch to systemd.... ubuntu software center gain a new upgrade this week. ubuntu one don't make money, simply dies. ubuntu edge fails

    at the end of comment i need to say, you only say garbage
    If my opinion is not to your liking then I suggest you address the factuality of my statements and not criticize solely on the basis that your opinion differs from mine. You're going to end your reply with a personal insult really?

    It wouldn't be very nice for me to say your hair looks like it was pulled from the shower drain, or that your face is a bee hive of pot marks and acne. Can we please leave personal insults out of this?

    As I said - I don't expect all to agree with my opinion, but at least address what you disagree with on a factual basis in debate format and leave your upset feelings out of it. That would be great, k thx.

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  • andre30correia
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    Originally posted by ElectricPrism View Post
    It sounds like the kernel has excellent comment notations suggesting improvements above and beyond necessary functioning.

    People have legitimate reasons to be annoyed with Canonical.
    ✓ Mir
    ✓Unity 8 being so far behind announced schedule
    ✓ Abandoned projects like ✓ Upstart, ✓ Ubuntu Software Center, ✓Ubuntu One
    ✓ The way the Ubuntu Council & Mark Shuttleworth forced Jonathan Riddell out of leadership on Kubuntu
    ✓ Kickstarting Ubuntu Edge and then not doing it after 12 million backing.
    ✓ Waiting on full Ubuntu Convergance and a non-rebranded Android
    ✓ Waiting on Canonical to sell Ubuntu Phone directly to consumers via Telecommunication Stores

    The list goes on and on and on.

    ColinIanKing - Great job on your personal work and your commercially funded work aswell. Me personally - I think it's immoral to rename the "Linux Kernel" as the "Ubuntu Kernel", but It's a good thing to have more hands in projects.

    The criticism against Canonical takes many forms, it may be recycled or not 100% technically correct, but the motive and frustrations are real and well founded.

    "Instead they use all their engineering force to fork stuff and create a software stack incompatible with all the existing FOSS solutions :/ " The technicalities are irellevant to me because the message is clear - Canonical doesn't like to play outside of their sandbox and has made some really dumb decisions without considering the people that supported them in FOSS.

    It's annoying to see all these "new ideas" get pioneered, get users onboard and excited, and then be thrown in the trash after a year or two, what a waste. This is the message most people want to give - wasted time, energy, code, and distraction from projects that will be here for 30+ years is annoying.

    mir works great in my phone
    upstart? since every distro switch to systemd.... ubuntu software center gain a new upgrade this week. ubuntu one don't make money, simply dies. ubuntu edge fails

    at the end of comment i need to say, you only say garbage

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  • Rexilion
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    It would be interesting to know *where* these FIXME's and TODO's are located?

    Are they located in the staging tree? How much in drivers/ or net/ or fs/?

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  • Bestia
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    Originally posted by Linuxhippy View Post
    Canonical is not contained in the Top 15 Linux contributors (however, much smaller SUSE is).
    Where did you get that SUSE is much smaller than Canonical.

    Novell employed more than 500 developers working on SUSE in 2004.In April 2011 they were bought by The Attachmate Group for $2.2 billion and function as an independent business unit. They employ 750 people.

    http://itic-corp.com/qa-interviews/michael-miller/

    ITIC: You hired back a lot of the original SUSE engineers in Germany.

    MM: That’s correct. When The Attachmate Group acquired Novell we carried over the entire German engineering organization led by Ralf Flaxa, who is the vice president. And we’ve also brought back a lot of former SUSE engineers. The organization totals about 750 people.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE

    Canonical has more than 500 employees in over 39 countries.

    http://www.ubuntu.com/about/canonical-and-ubuntu

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  • ElectricPrism
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    Originally posted by profoundWHALE View Post
    Originally posted by ElectricPrism View Post
    Is that all you know how to do - judge others based on limited information quickly and assume you know their motives




    Originally posted by ElectricPrism View Post
    If you are already a "genius" then you have nothing more to learn.



    Wow, it's almost as if you judged me based on limited information quickly and then assumed my motive.
    That's exactly what I'm talking about - I offered wisdom we all should live by - to remain humble.

    You're just not getting me, I mean no offense but is English your first language?

    In the event that we can't come to a common ground of understanding we can always discontinue this discussion.

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  • profoundWHALE
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    Originally posted by ElectricPrism View Post
    Is that all you know how to do - judge others based on limited information quickly and assume you know their motives
    Originally posted by ElectricPrism View Post
    If you are already a "genius" then you have nothing more to learn.
    Wow, it's almost as if you judged me based on limited information quickly and then assumed my motive.

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  • ElectricPrism
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    Originally posted by profoundWHALE View Post
    Ubuntu Software Center IIRC is getting a complete re-write. That's like saying AMD is abandoning Catalyst or Mesa because of amdgpu work.
    Catalyst - A Kernel Driver
    Mesa - A Graphics Library
    AMDGPU - A Kernel Driver

    I had no idea that Catalyst, Mesa and AMDGPU were the same thing - please let me bask in your wisdom as apparantly all three are interchangably the same thing.


    "complete re-write" you say? That sounds like a entirely different code-base - thank you for validating my original opinion and statement that Ubuntu Software Center is "abandoned".

    USC has been neglected so bad that it now requires a rewrite when little effort was made to improve it over the last 5 years. USC can even make i7's cry and grind to a halt leaving users to thank USC for frequent lockups courtesy of Ubuntu Software Center.

    Originally posted by profoundWHALE View Post
    Ubuntu One IIRC simply was not very popular. I sort of used it... but that's it. Development time is going elsewhere which I consider a plus, not a con.
    Ubuntu One not being "popular" was not my statement. My statment was that it was "abandoned".

    Many people feel that Resources: - including Time, Money, and Code, could have gone into other projects that would not be "dead" today. Ubuntu One is abandoned, case closed, another nail in the preverbial coffin.

    Originally posted by profoundWHALE View Post
    [Speaking about Kubuntu Leader Forced Off Kubuntu] This was handled poorly on BOTH sides. Simply do not place all the blame on one side.
    I will draw my own conclusions on the matter. Did you have some relevant piece of information to add or are you just going to tell me to agree with you "because you say so".

    Originally posted by profoundWHALE View Post
    12 million backing that didn't reach it's goal, meaning they received a whopping ZERO DOLLARS from that. So you're clearly trolling now.
    Do you always try to invalidate your oponents in debate by calling them names?

    Or are you keenly interested in gaining more intelligence by debating contrasting views to cause the truth to be illuminated. If you are already a "genius" then you have nothing more to learn.

    Originally posted by profoundWHALE View Post
    Can I add you to my list of trolls that goes on and on? Thanks.
    You have a list of trolls? It sounds like you have a miserable time on the Internet, may I ask what it feels like thinking of people as trolls until proven otherwise? Guilty until proven innocent? What does that feel like to have that preventive safeguard.

    Is your ego so weak that you have to "put up the shield" before engaging anyone in a civil & illuminatory discussion?

    Are you aware that when you call someone names you shame yourself? You have hit below the belt jumping to conclusions and rendering drum-head trial judgement according to your own perceptions and paranoia about the people around you.

    Is that all you know how to do - judge others based on the limited information quickly and assume you know their motives without giving anyone the benefit of the doubt?

    Apparantly you lack the ability to properly interpret and discern the intent, flavor and full meaning of what people write that you read.

    You're going to have a very VERY fun life with those qualities and that attitude I can guarantee you that much.
    Last edited by ElectricPrism; 09 January 2016, 01:16 AM.

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  • caligula
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    Originally posted by profoundWHALE View Post
    So one group of developers are mad that they didn't do it their way. Canonical is going to need control one way or another if they are going to have a display server + compositor + environment on both phones and desktops. Wayland and Mir do overlap in many areas but are not the same and neither are their goals.


    This either has to do with overconfidence in how much they can get done or how difficult it is to complete, or different priorities putting this on the backburner. I'm not disagreeing with you though.


    Upstart is still supported by them and is still used by Google in their Chromebooks.
    But for how long? You think people should switch from Systemd to upstart now? It's long past its prime time (which really didn't take too long) and now being in maintenance mode until they pull the plug in few years. What about bzr? Launchpad? Their tech just seems like vaporware. I have my doubts about Mir. It might work for a while but if everyone else is behind Wayland, how long until they'll just abandon it. Ubuntu's solutions might help their customers in short term, but they're bad at offering long term solutions and in the end the short term solutions are just legacy systems without future.

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  • profoundWHALE
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    Originally posted by ElectricPrism View Post
    It sounds like the kernel has excellent comment notations suggesting improvements above and beyond necessary functioning.

    People have legitimate reasons to be annoyed with Canonical.
    ✓ Mir
    So one group of developers are mad that they didn't do it their way. Canonical is going to need control one way or another if they are going to have a display server + compositor + environment on both phones and desktops. Wayland and Mir do overlap in many areas but are not the same and neither are their goals.

    Originally posted by ElectricPrism View Post
    ✓Unity 8 being so far behind announced schedule
    This either has to do with overconfidence in how much they can get done or how difficult it is to complete, or different priorities putting this on the backburner. I'm not disagreeing with you though.

    Originally posted by ElectricPrism View Post
    ✓ Abandoned projects like ✓ Upstart, ✓ Ubuntu Software Center, ✓Ubuntu One
    Upstart is still supported by them and is still used by Google in their Chromebooks.

    Ubuntu Software Center was perhaps the first attractive way to find and install things on Ubuntu and IIRC is getting a complete re-write. That's like saying AMD is abandoning Catalyst or Mesa because of amdgpu work.

    Ubuntu One IIRC simply was not very popular. I sort of used it... but that's it. Development time is going elsewhere which I consider a plus, not a con.

    Originally posted by ElectricPrism View Post
    ✓ The way the Ubuntu Council & Mark Shuttleworth forced Jonathan Riddell out of leadership on Kubuntu
    This was handled poorly on BOTH sides. Simply do not place all the blame on one side.

    Originally posted by ElectricPrism View Post
    ✓ Kickstarting Ubuntu Edge and then not doing it after 12 million backing.
    12 million backing that didn't reach it's goal, meaning they received a whopping ZERO DOLLARS from that. So you're clearly trolling now.

    Originally posted by ElectricPrism View Post
    ✓ Waiting on full Ubuntu Convergance and a non-rebranded Android
    The convergence thing I get, that's also going to be coming with Unity 8, whenever that happens. Wait, what was that?

    Originally posted by ElectricPrism View Post
    ✓ [snip] and a non-rebranded Android
    Hahaha what?

    Originally posted by ElectricPrism View Post
    ✓ Waiting on Canonical to sell Ubuntu Phone directly to consumers via Telecommunication Stores
    Considering that Microsoft is throwing money at Telcos with their Windows phone and it has only just recently reached Blackberry's marketshare...

    Originally posted by ElectricPrism View Post
    The list goes on and on and on.
    Can I add you to my list of trolls that goes on and on? Thanks.

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  • Linuxhippy
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    Originally posted by ColinIanKing View Post
    Well, I want to refute that.
    There is a yearly report by the Linux Foundadtion: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/sites...%202.18.15.jpg
    Canonical is not contained in the Top 15 Linux contributors (however, much smaller SUSE is).
    Whereever I look, RedHat is a top contributor (Kernel, XOrg, GTK, SystemD, ...), Canonical is usually nowhere in the Top 10.

    An older report from 2013 even argues about it: http://arstechnica.com/information-t...-contributors/
    Canonical contributed 548 changes in the period studied in today's report and would have cracked the top 30 if the foundation hadn't included "none" and "unknown" in the rankings. The maker of Ubuntu has been criticized for years for not contributing more to the kernel (and recently clashed with Intel over patches submitted to the company's graphics driver)
    .

    Don't take me wrong, I think it is great you are working on FOSS projects and that sometimes canonical even pays you.

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