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  • Dell Reportedly Shipping Ubuntu-Based Linux On 40%+ Of PCs In China

    Phoronix: Dell Reportedly Shipping Ubuntu-Based Linux On 40%+ Of PCs In China

    Dell is reportedly shipping an Ubuntu-based Kylin Linux OS on 42% of their PCs in China...

    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...China-40-Linux

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    uh oh... this is a bit concerning, considering China is one of the main sources for malware. Sure, linux may be inherently more secure than Windows, but it also has a lot fewer active protection options.

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    • #3
      Neokylin is not based on Ubuntu.

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      • #4
        And how much of that 40% gets the preloaded Neokylin replaced by a pirated copy of Windows on first boot?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
          uh oh... this is a bit concerning, considering China is one of the main sources for malware. Sure, linux may be inherently more secure than Windows, but it also has a lot fewer active protection options.
          Well they also a pirated software heaven, how much you want to bet quite a few of those get bought to save on Windows license, there is still a $25 CAD between an XPS13 with same spec between Ubuntu and Windows, when I went to check on Dell.ca.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by iniudan View Post

            Well they also a pirated software heaven, how much you want to bet quite a few of those get bought to save on Windows license, there is still a $25 CAD between an XPS13 with same spec between Ubuntu and Windows, when I went to check on Dell.ca.

            Personally, I want to buy the Windows version (so I get a license) and then install something else on it as the main.

            The 'developer edition' (Ubuntu) really should have coreboot installed though.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
              uh oh... this is a bit concerning, considering China is one of the main sources for malware. Sure, linux may be inherently more secure than Windows, but it also has a lot fewer active protection options.
              You shouldn't need or want active protection. That means you are literally scanning all files created and the entire filesystem on a regular basis to make up for a shitty security model.

              If you have good MAC, where unauthorized binaries cannot access anything, and users tried to execute arbitrary scripts or binaries, they would not be able to do anything - no network access, to filesystem access, and as long as you are on top of exploits that break your sandbox if you don't let malware do anything in the first place you are fine.

              The only real problem is when users want to add repositories. You cannot just let apt:/ urls add any repo, or the malware vendor will just host a repo and through the permissions model get to install whatever they want as root. You really need to have a registry of safe repositories you audit diligently.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
                And how much of that 40% gets the preloaded Neokylin replaced by a pirated copy of Windows on first boot?

                Windows and Android are popular with OEMs because they sell. Period.

                It doesn't really matter what people do with them afterwards (replaced with windows, another distro or dual-booted), as long as it sells, it COUNTS as A SALE for that PLATFORM.

                These computers are being counted as DESKTOP LINUX SALES. So as long as that keeps up the marketshare will start increasing and thus more apps. At some point it should have sufficient apps for regular consumer joe / jane to be happy with (in case they aren't happy with it yet.)

                Steam machines will also be counted as Linux sales and thus MORE AND MORE GAMES will come thanks to that (slowly at first, but each iteration should prove more popular than the last, thanks to improved hardware, bigger catalog and deals on the previous iterations.)

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                • #9
                  more info on kylin:

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kylin_(operating_system)

                  https://www.techinasia.com/china-eli...chnology-2020/

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                  • #10
                    There have been a few operating systems under NUDT's Kylin project banner, the two most recent of which have been the products of partnerships, one with China Standard Software (maker of NeoShine Linux, previously named Cosix Linux), which resulted in NeoKylin, and a later one with Canonical, which resulted in Ubuntu Kylin.

                    superm1 is correct. NeoKylin is, as of NeoKylin 6, RPM-based. I had been under the impression that Ubuntu Kylin was meant to supersede NeoKylin, but perhaps not. At this time, China Standard Software Co. seemingly continues to maintain NeoKylin as a separate base from Ubuntu Kylin.

                    There are a few press releases on China Standard Software's website related to Dell ([1], [2], [3]).

                    Regardless of which Kylin is being used, it's a shame Dell didn't choose deepin instead, but there were likely business considerations at play that kept it off the radar.
                    Last edited by eidolon; 15 September 2015, 02:34 AM.

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