F2FS Might Get Enabled In Fedora

[r1348]

Quick update: F2FS has been enabled starting from kernel 3.17.8: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/b...buildID=603039

modinfo f2fs
filename:       /lib/modules/3.17.8-300.fc21.x86_64/kernel/fs/f2fs/f2fs.ko.xz
license:        GPL
description:    Flash Friendly File System
author:         Samsung Electronics's Praesto Team
alias:          fs-f2fs
depends:        
intree:         Y
vermagic:       3.17.8-300.fc21.x86_64 SMP mod_unload 
signer:         Fedora kernel signing key
sig_key:        F4:8F:FC:A3:C9:62:D6:47:0F:1A:63:E0:32:D1:F5:F1:93:2A:03:6A
sig_hashalgo:   sha256

[halfmanhalfamazing]

Though I'd go one step further and say that any Linux user who does not know how to build at least one component of the Linux desktop OS stack (any component, not necessarily the kernel) is just a poser and a mooch.

Linux needs more moochers right about now, so that we can grow the userbase - have more users so that more software which is currently teetering on the edge of becoming Linux-supporting software actually reaches that point and becomes Linux software. That's one of the excuses that some of these software developers/companies claim. "Linux doesn't have enough users" for us to justify porting our software.

Less Microsoft users. Good.

Bring on the moochers.

[Sonadow]

Just because somebody isn't contributing makes them a mooch? I guess that is basically the feeling the GPL gives off...but I don't think most people feel the same way. That is a little harsh.

Where did I say anything about contributing?

I just said that they should know how to build at least 1 component of the desktop Linux stack. It can be anything from as major as building a component of X, or the kernel. Or it can be as simple as building a simple userspace program like an IRC client from the published source code. Building != contributing.

And in all seriousness, I fail to see how

./configure --prefix=/home/<insert path>
make
make install

can be rocket science or geekspeak to any computer user.

The whole fun of Linux is the ability to build any component of the entire desktop OS and application stack at any point of time.

[gilboa]

What do you know, my suspicions were correct. Use common sense, folks.

You do understand that the Fedora kernel developers do not owe you, or anyone else for that matter, anything, right?
What you consider common sense != common sense for people who maintain the Fedora kernel.

[vadix]

My sentiments.

Though I'd go one step further and say that any Linux user who does not know how to build at least one component of the Linux desktop OS stack (any component, not necessarily the kernel) is just a poser and a mooch.

Just because somebody isn't contributing makes them a mooch? I guess that is basically the feeling the GPL gives off...but I don't think most people feel the same way. That is a little harsh.

[Sonadow]

A lot of shit hit the fan just because some kids who think they're cool cause they try to use bleeding-edge Fedora actually don't know how to build they own kernel and enable/disable any feature they want. LMAO

My sentiments.

Though I'd go one step further and say that any Linux user who does not know how to build at least one component of the Linux desktop OS stack (any component, not necessarily the kernel) is just a poser and a mooch.

[jimbohale]

A lot of shit hit the fan just because some kids who think they're cool cause they try to use bleeding-edge Fedora actually don't know how to build they own kernel and enable/disable any feature they want. LMAO

End-users should NEVER be building their own kernel, and that should never be encouraged. If they really, seriously know what they are doing then that's fine but a misconfigured kernel leads to random bugs as it's impossible for the maintainers to test every combination of options. Years ago it might have been a different story but as the complexity of desktop OS's increases (which is necessary for end-users to be able to use the OS) the ability to hack different parts of the OS decreases. For servers obviously it's a different case but F2FS isn't even aimed at servers so that's not the topic at hand.

[asavah]

A lot of shit hit the fan just because some kids who think they're cool cause they try to use bleeding-edge Fedora actually don't know how to build they own kernel and enable/disable any feature they want. LMAO

[blackiwid]

Thankfully they will enable it! Its not like we are looking to see it become the default. BTRFS will probably become the Fedora default in the next handful of releases.

that would be good, btrfs is in a ok state its very unlikely that it eats your data, but in some cases it maybe can produce verz slow results and high io. I dont think it will get much better in next years if it becomes not finaly the default os in big distros.

The problems are all/most known so it just needs more developers to fix them. Maybe some better guides would help too, where should u use it where not... maybe also my boot scheme gets better support when its default (btrfs without partition on the ssd so that I dont have to grub-mkconfig ... every time I get a new kernel

and also some better integration in other tools like the normal df tools.

Dedub is also still a bit broken or you have to first activate it somehow (most likely because its broken) and stuff like that. Hope this small things (or are they big) get sorted out when more people using it.

[halfmanhalfamazing]

Thankfully!

Thankfully they will enable it! Its not like we are looking to see it become the default. BTRFS will probably become the Fedora default in the next handful of releases.