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  • #31
    Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
    Debian crybaby users are hilarious.
    I like how they all use throwaway email adresses and their posts are devoid of any technical reasoning.

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    • #32
      They have just started a GR:
      https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote.../msg00000.html

      And my goodness is it bad. It doesn't even give voting options or any reasoning behind it. It's just a copy-paste of L and nothing else. A? Nope, nowhere to be seen!
      Sigh.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
        They have just started a GR:
        https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote.../msg00000.html

        And my goodness is it bad. It doesn't even give voting options or any reasoning behind it. It's just a copy-paste of L and nothing else. A? Nope, nowhere to be seen!
        Sigh.
        I find Ian's latest message very, umm, "interesting": https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote.../msg00025.html

        He claims the GR is about changing the default init to sysv, when the GR explicitly says:
        The TC's decision on the default init system for Linux in jessie stands undisturbed.
        Further, he claims the rider used in the CTTE resolution about the default init is still valid, but this GR isn't about the default, it's about coupling. And coupling was a *different* CTTE resolution, one which did not include such a rider.

        Am I missing something here, or is Ian just... off regarding his claims?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by finalzone View Post
          Core system needs solid foundation, having a single init everyone agreed to use remove the burden of maintenance and fragmentation which plagued Linux for more than 20 years.
          and that's the main reason, if someone had ever had to deal with vxfs, oracle or any proprietary vendor init scripts will gladly welcome systemd scripts from them. It is much, much easier to diagnose problems with 3rd party scripts in systemd environment.

          And no, not always migrating off of closed source software is an option, and more often than not the admin that has to deal with them has little to say on the matter.

          Sure, we all know how to diagnose problems in sysV init scripts, but we've had few decades of practice with them. Now we have to learn a new skill set. I say it is small price to pay.

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          • #35
            funny thing is that all of them can be summed up by "my world is changing and I don't like it!"

            would be really funny if it wasn't so pathetic

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            • #36
              Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
              They have just started a GR:
              https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote.../msg00000.html

              And my goodness is it bad. It doesn't even give voting options or any reasoning behind it. It's just a copy-paste of L and nothing else. A? Nope, nowhere to be seen!
              Sigh.
              I think six debian devs must support the GR proposal before it is a GR. At the moment only Ian has declared support?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Akka View Post
                I think six debian devs must support the GR proposal before it is a GR. At the moment only Ian has declared support?
                Ah, all right, I see. Doesn't change that the GR text is really bad, though.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by gens View Post
                  fork of udev shows that people think making a key part of linux tied into a specific boot system is dumb
                  and udev is a key part
                  and there was nothing wrong with it
                  Kay Sievers took maintainership of udev
                  Linus himself said it went to shit then
                  and no, nothing is changed in udev itself, it is there for systemd's benefit only
                  It has been pointed out multiple times that you're wrong on this. From that, I can draw a few conclusions. Either:
                  A. You're too hard headed to listen to anyone else,
                  B. You're too dumb to understand other's arguments, or
                  C. You're lying for your own purposes (ie trolling).

                  So which is it?

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                  • #39
                    My favourite was this one:

                    https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote.../msg00036.html

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                    • #40
                      Russ's message makes a lot of sense to me. https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote.../msg00053.html

                      Treat it like translations. If somebody provides support for alt-init systems, the devs have a responsibility to include it in their packages. But if no one steps up and does the work, that can't block things from moving forward.

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