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  • phoronix
    started a topic ZFS On Linux Is Now Set For "Wide Scale Deployment"

    ZFS On Linux Is Now Set For "Wide Scale Deployment"

    Phoronix: ZFS On Linux Is Now Set For "Wide Scale Deployment"

    The Sun/Oracle ZFS file-system port to the Linux kernel has now been deemed ready with its new release as "ready for wide scale deployment on everything from desktops to super computers." Will you use ZFS On Linux?..

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTMzODM

  • intellivision
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    Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
    For your information it is you who have to prove your claims. Furthermore, I have based my claim on a proven fact: your registering date and the date of the flame. So, rather accusing me of lying you should apologize for your lie which was proven: you have said kraftman is banned and you have based your claim - that I have registered here, because "I" was banned - on this lie. Lying and accusing others of doing so seems to be domain of kebbabert and "you".
    You were the one who made the original claims, the burden of proof is on you buddy.

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  • kebabbert
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    Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
    Do you expect anyone sane will take something like this seriously? Where's the configuration of both operating systems? It's done by Oracle and they didn't provide necessary data, so it can't be taken seriously.
    http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/25/ora...s-against-ibm/
    Oracle claims to be 20x faster than IBM in some benchmarks, not always. But that text is not allowed, because Oracle must always be 20x faster. So Oracle must withdraw the text.

    This is actually funny. IBM was the company that popularized FUD, according to wikipedia. For instance, IBM claims that one Mainframe can replace 1.500 of the x86 servers. If you study the claim a bit, you will discover that all x86 servers idle. So, IBM can replace 1.500 servers if they all idle at 2-3 percent load. If the x86 servers start doing work, then the Mainframe can not handle the load, it will be too much. Sometimes IBM can virtualize 1.500 servers, but not always. But this IBM text is allowed. Why not Oracle? IBM accusing Oracle of being faster sometimes is funny, because IBM started the whole thing.


    Someone's quote from this unfair benchmark:
    To be a fair comparison don't you need to have the latest RHEL -vs- latest Solaris (including matching JRE versions) ?
    But then again fair comparisons doesn't seem to be the norm at Oracle.
    No, that would be madness. You never ever use the latest version in production. It is only desktop users that can afford problems on their pcs. Large stock exchanges, for instance London running Linux + Solaris, never upgrade the distro. They always use the same OS version and never touch it. Never upgrade it.


    Now I see why you were attacking Kraftman who seems to be out of Phoronix for a while. It's easy to say shit about someone who's not aware about it. You're such a coward.
    There is lots of talk of Kraftman from you. Why? Nobody cares about Kraftman, or thinks of him. I almost forgot he existed, until you started to talk about him in every thread. Why do you mention Kraftman in every post?

    Hey, I suggest you login with your old account Kraftman, instead of using lot of other accounts. Can you do that, Kraftman?

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  • intellivision
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    Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
    I have also done such research and it seems you're lying me once again. After comparing your posts to kebbabert it seems it is you that's using at least two accounts. Like I pointed in another place you have registered much later, so you couldn't saw kraftman vs kebbabert flames. You're saying similar things and sound like kebbabert. Furthermore, you're defending a troll and tries to cheat us he's/you're not a troll. If you would really done some research you would know it was kebbabert who was always quitting after loosing a flame and then he was coming back to troll once again. I've checked this and this clearly shows kebbabert was trolling. You have written something completely opposite, so it definitely shows you're a kebbabert. Too bad for you, because you have missed such a detail.
    Answering an accusation with an accusation? So what you're saying is that you have no way to prove that you're not kraftman? And then lying about what is clearly archived in forum posts?
    I see that you have a lot to learn my friend.

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  • Sergio
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    Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
    I don't remember you were asking me for something. Linux is for sure faster than Solaris. Otherwise, it would be Solaris running in HPC and stock exchanges. Furthermore, there are reasons it is called slowlaris by many. There's a difference between proving someone's wrong and accepting such fact by him. According to intellivision - or you, if you're him and I bet you are- you can be this Kraftman or some antiBSD or slOWlaris folks as well. You're using emotions and your writing style is very childish. Your posts are also taken out from the reality.
    https://blogs.oracle.com/jimlaurent/...erforms_rhel_6

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  • intellivision
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    Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
    Stop kidding Kebbabert. It is you that lie and FUD. Looking at your previous posts you're one of the biggest trolls at Phoronix. Kebbabert was flaming with kraftman and he was saying others do lie and FUD. You're doing the same, so you're Kebabbert and you should be banned. There are also Vim_user and Sergio who's styles seems to be exactly like Kebbabert's one. Futhermore, you have joined on 01-12-2013, so how do you know about kraftman? I just saw few of his posts since I've joined Phoronix.
    Because of this little thing called 'research'. The concept might be new to you so I'll explain it. You search for information, you take notes and compare data. After looking up some of kraftman's posts, they have exactly the same flow, style, emoticons and general immaturity as SLOWaris, killbsd, linuxanalsslowaris and all the other accounts that have been setup, burned, then made again.
    So, kraftman, what have you got to say for yourself?

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  • kebabbert
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    Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
    Why are you lying? Kraftman was always proving his claims in flames with trolls like you. It is you who were always saying untrue things and was lying. You were proven doing so.
    Oh, I missed that. I asked him many times to show any links and he never showed any. Just like you do. And you seem to remember a lot about what Kraftman supposedly said or not said. So, henceforth, I will call you Kraftman.

    Can you show me any threads where Kraftman "always proved his claims"? I dont remember he did. I remember he showed one link, and he said that Linux is faster than Solaris. The link benchmarked one 800 MHz SPARC single core cpu, vs 2.4GHz dual core Linux and Linux was actually faster. But hey, even Windows would be faster on a dual core 2.4GHz cpu, vs Linux running on a 800 MHz cpu. That link was totally irrelevant, and did not prove anything. So, no, I dont remember Kraftman ever proving anyone of his weird claims.

    But please, show us a thread where Kraftman proved me wrong. Because he never did.

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  • intellivision
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    Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
    Why are you lying? Kraftman was always proving his claims in flames with trolls like you. It is you who were always saying untrue things and was lying. You were proven doing so.
    Actually Pawlerson you do have a tendency to lie and FUD as much as Kraftman, not to mention the immature writing style and use of emoticons is dead accurate to what he used to post.
    So, Kraftman, why keep making the accounts after getting banned? Do you get some sort of rush from trolling people who would rather have a technical discussion of merit?

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  • dee.
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    Originally posted by brosis View Post
    If Linux migrates to CDDL then all device manufacturers that use Linux will not be obligated to publish changes.
    Projects like OpenWRT, DD-WRT, Android would not happen. Linux will loose one its primary strengths - GPL.
    First of all, there's no way that would ever happen, due to reasons. Secondly, even if it did, what it would actually mean would be that the CDDL version would become a fork of the Linux kernel which would co-exist with the existing GPL-licensed Linux. This is because relicensing does not cancel the license of already released versions which would still be under GPL, and thus people would be free to continue the development of the GPL-licensed Linux. In this hypothetical but practically impossible scenario, which version do you think would attract more developers? (GPL, obviously.)

    This is also why people who rant on about CLA's are often misguided. If something is released under the GPL, then that release stays under the GPL, forever, and anyone is free to fork it and continue development, as is stipulated by the GPL. Doesn't matter if the original developer decides to change the license, or go full-on closed source, because licenses cannot be changed retroactively, only for future releases. The GPL is designed to ensure that code will always stay free.

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  • brosis
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    Originally posted by kebabbert View Post
    True, ZFS is covered by patents.

    But it still open source under CDDL, and several OSes use it. FreeBSD can use it, why can not Linux use it? Mac OS X use it. All OpenSolaris distros use it. Also, Linux use it. Here are all OSes that use it, it is quite a list.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS#Platforms
    CDDL is a catastrophe.

    CDDL allows direct proprietary integration, exactly like BSD, plus adds patent grand and uncertain definition of "intellectual property".
    GPL forbids direct proprietary integration. One can't use GPL+CDDL because two conditions come in conflict.
    If Linux migrates to CDDL then all device manufacturers that use Linux will not be obligated to publish changes.
    Projects like OpenWRT, DD-WRT, Android would not happen. Linux will loose one its primary strengths - GPL.

    Also,
    Originally posted by CDDL, Section 2.1
    the Initial Developer hereby grants You a world-wide, royalty-free, non-exclusive license: [...] under Patent Claims infringed by the making, using or selling of Original Software, to make, have made, use, practice, sell, and offer for sale, and/or otherwise dispose of the Original Software (or portions thereof).
    .....
    no patent license is granted: (1) for code that You delete from the Original Software, or (2) for infringements caused by: (i) the modification of the Original Software, or (ii) the combination of the Original Software with other software or devices.
    So, in short: you recieve right to use patented algorythms. But if you delete parts, modify it or combine it with any hardware or software, in essence you start using the piece, the license is nullified and you are open to patent attack. So GPL gives full patent grant, but CDDL patent grant is defacto invalid.

    And finally retaliation chapter.
    Originally posted by CDDL, Section 6.2
    If You assert a patent infringement claim (excluding declaratory judgment actions) against Initial Developer or a Contributor (the Initial Developer or Contributor against whom You assert such claim is referred to as ?Participant?) alleging that the Participant Software (meaning the Contributor Version where the Participant is a Contributor or the Original Software where the Participant is the Initial Developer) directly or indirectly infringes any patent, then any and all rights granted directly or indirectly to You by such Participant, the Initial Developer (if the Initial Developer is not the Participant) and all Contributors under Sections 2.1 and/or 2.2 of this License shall, upon 60 days notice from Participant terminate prospectively and automatically at the expiration of such 60 day notice period, unless if within such 60 day period You withdraw Your claim with respect to the Participant Software against such Participant either unilaterally or pursuant to a written agreement with Participant.
    that essentially allows patent owner or *any* software distributor to use ALL your patents as long as you accept CDDL or use its software.

    So, if Linux uses CDDL in any part then it will stop being copyleft AND any proprietary vendor will have access to all patents that currently exist in Linux.

    That said I don't understand why Tso and Co simply not implement ext5. Granted, uncompatible with ext4, but something that can actually conter this whole ZFS mess, similar to old OSS / ALSA story.

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