Systemd 197 Brings "Quite Some Cool New Stuff"

[TheBlackCat]

Here is a clue for you; gtk+ is not some CA shit like crap-Qt. So go pull your own head out of your ass. Thank you..

Oh yeah and GNU is a whole different story than the commercial piece of shit software called Qt.
http://lwn.net/Articles/529522/

Translation: CLA's are only acceptable for projects funkSTAR likes.

[Ancurio]

Here is a clue for you; gtk+ is not some CA shit like crap-Qt. So go pull your own head out of your ass. Thank you..

Oh yeah and GNU is a whole different story than the commercial piece of shit software called Qt.
http://lwn.net/Articles/529522/

Have you ever developed anything, at all, in your life?

[funkSTAR]

gtk+? copyright assignment? you bet! gcc, bash, all gnu software - copyright assignment? Of course!

So please do the world a favor - pull your heads out of your arses and stop posting bullshit. Thank you.

Here is a clue for you; gtk+ is not some CA shit like crap-Qt. So go pull your own head out of your ass. Thank you..

Oh yeah and GNU is a whole different story than the commercial piece of shit software called Qt.

http://lwn.net/Articles/529522/

[Ericg]

And whoever thinks that systemd's desire to usurp the whole system is a good thing needs his head examined. Points to think about:
complexity
bugs
choice

Complexity: Valid concern, partially defeated by systemd's modular nature (think Linux kernel modules.)
Bugs: Valid concern...partially defeated by modular nature.
Choice: Valid concern...partially defeated by modular nature.

Beyond core all of systemd's features are blockable via compile-time flags, even the journal. If a user is SMART enough to realize that they want to swap out a chunk of core, then they should also be smart enough to know how to compile. If they aren't then they probably shouldn't be messing around with core. I actually like the fact that systemd is bringing some continuity to the linux space.

[pingufunkybeat]

gtk+? copyright assignment? you bet! gcc, bash, all gnu software - copyright assignment? Of course!

You'll make his head explode.

[energyman]

question for the idiots:

if Qt is 'evil' or a 'walled garden' because of copyright assignment and if copyright assignment itself is evil - how are you even able to use linux?

gtk+? copyright assignment? you bet! gcc, bash, all gnu software - copyright assignment? Of course!

So please do the world a favor - pull your heads out of your arses and stop posting bullshit. Thank you.

And whoever thinks that systemd's desire to usurp the whole system is a good thing needs his head examined. Points to think about:
complexity
bugs
choice

[RahulSundaram]

Can I disable dbus dependency?

This is a frequent source of confusion in this forum apparently. systemd does not depend on the D-Bus deamon but only libdbus. If you want to remove libdbus which is a really tiny library, you would end up reimplementing IPC and probably in a buggy way.

[LightBit]

Even if you consider only the core process, it still has a number of features that aren't present or as advanced as in systemd. If you are looking into using a init system that wins in size comparison, systemd may not be a great fit for you. I would note however that the core system process size depends on what options you have configured in and systemd is very flexible in that since most of the functionality can be disabled if that is what works for you.

Can I disable dbus dependency?

[LightBit]

Wow, it's a whole 1MB larger. Wherever will I be able to fit that monstrosity of a program on my 1TB hard drive? My phone only has 16GB of disk space, it'll really be a problem there....

Of course this isn't a problem. However, larger it is more chances are for bugs (very bad for pid 1) and dbus on server is stupid.

[pingufunkybeat]

Wow you are misinformed kid. Just because you are old enough to grow a neckbeard doesnt make you a hero. Here is a clue for you; udev was MERGED into systemd because it REDUCED the maintenanceburden over all. Udev is developed WITHIN the systemd tree now.

Overall, maintenance burden was increased because a fork was inevitable. The maintenance burden was reduced for the systemd guys but increased for the community as a whole by making udev depend on systemd in a "take it or leave it" proposition, typical of walled gardens in fact. Maintenance is one thing, but intentionally breaking compatibility that people rely on is a hostile act.

Qt community has never pulled off such a stunt. You can still use Webkit without porting everything to Qt.

Webkit is LGPL-licensed, BTW. It's in Qt. No CLA.

You make no sense and it seems like your point is Qt is great because you can fork.

Free software is great because you can fork. That is the whole fucking point about it. Forking saved xorg, GCC, Emacs, and now it is saving GNOME. The ability to fork is what makes Free Software great, not psycho dictators who want total control over your system and how you use it.