I would be content for ALSA to just properly set the volume on my devices. Every single one of my machines (PC and Mac) have weirdly screwed up output levels running in Linux relative to Windows or OS X. My current X1 Carbon Gen 3 is much, much quieter at max volume via the build-in speakers when running Kubuntu 15.04 or Fedora 22 or Antergos. I've made sure that all the ALSA mixer levels are maxed out and that the PulseAudio levels are maxed out, and despite that I can't get the same useful volume levels out of the machine in Linux.
It drives me nuts. I paved the machine and put Windows back on it and used an SPL meter playing a variety of sources (Hulu, Google Play, Clementine, and VLC) just to verify. I don't know what the problem is, but it's thoroughly aggravating.
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Today I got aware that Reddit found KLANG, and now it spreads all over the Linux news. This was totally unprecedented and unplanned.
First and foremost: KLANG has not been officially announced yet!
Please keep this in mind when discussing potential outcome of the project. So far this homepage was meant merely as a placeholder that people, who I was discussiong this project with, could bookmark. Since this project has now got some unplanned exposure I'll see, that I get a preliminary design document up ASAP.?
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Originally posted by ninez View PostOriginally posted by crazycheese View PostHm, ok, let me approach it from the other side. I'm not trying to teach you, just sharing thoughts.
you don't need to continue, pointing out fairly obvious things to someone whom already understands these concepts, especially when i have already explained to you that I don't need you to educate me on a subject. :\
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One thing I recommend for this project is to remove support for FreeBSD kernel
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Originally posted by funkSTAR View PostYeah. Painfull but funny at the same time. Given Datenwolfs German accent it reminds me of the unconditional Germab surrendering from WW1. And history repeats it self.
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Originally posted by varikonniemi View Post
On the other hand, I think the point of the whole session got kind of lost in the arguments between the two people. I undestand Lennart that he is writing software for a larger group of people, and for that he must keep the whole system more complex. The problem is that if everything is interdependent on everything, there is no way to "dumb back" the system for those who are bothered by the additional functionality (and there are many of those people too). All Draxinger is saying is that Linux should keep its software less interdependent, and if not, at least it should always work (which is clearly much more difficult).
The same way Draxinger is forgetting people with more complex needs, Lennart is forgetting people with simpler needs. Why is it bad if people get more than what they need? Because all the inherent complexity and automatism is more likely to cause annoyance. "It is free software, so don't complain" is invalid here, because Lennart is writing the kind of software that, if adopted, allows him to dictate the direction of pretty much the whole Linux ecosystem, so he is not allowed to be that "selfish".
And last, I'd like to dismiss Lennart's argument about everybody being allowed to alter his software. As Draxinger pointed it out, it won't work, because everything is too interdependent. If Draxinger wanted to supply a patch that enables network functionality for D-Bus, extending/altering it, he would have to alter all the other software too, including the login manager, the sound daemon, session/seat manager etc. All because the original plans for D-Bus were somewhat short-sighted (about not accounting for network functionality). And similarly, if somebody wants to simplify just one thing, the desktop will break. So for basically any non-trivial change, someone would have to adapt countless other software too. All because Lennart's "in control" of all the basic software (btw, I think that is what Draxinger meant when he said "... you are doing too much work").
So Draxinger might have been a little humiliated on the technical side, but I find his motivations very valid.Last edited by ultimA; 24 January 2013, 11:13 AM.
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Originally posted by archibald View PostI've noticed something when I've watched videos of/attended *nix conferences compared to academic conferences. In academic conferences people sit quietly and listen to you, then ask questions at the end. In the *nix conferences, people seem quite happy to heckle the presenter, I've seen somebody call out "That's bullshit".
I can't find a compelling reason for a member of the audience to heckle/shout out instead of waiting until the end to raise their queries/concerns. Can anybody explain this discrepancy?
Could Lennart be more nice? Maybe. But he did us all a favor and dismantled this shit bomb of incompetence. Personaly I like the drama because it will make the clowns do better jobs. Lennart might show up and speak the truth
I guess the udev forksters might be next in line for such a treat.
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Originally posted by archibald View PostI've noticed something when I've watched videos of/attended *nix conferences compared to academic conferences. In academic conferences people sit quietly and listen to you, then ask questions at the end. In the *nix conferences, people seem quite happy to heckle the presenter, I've seen somebody call out "That's bullshit".
I can't find a compelling reason for a member of the audience to heckle/shout out instead of waiting until the end to raise their queries/concerns. Can anybody explain this discrepancy?
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I've noticed something when I've watched videos of/attended *nix conferences compared to academic conferences. In academic conferences people sit quietly and listen to you, then ask questions at the end. In the *nix conferences, people seem quite happy to heckle the presenter, I've seen somebody call out "That's bullshit".
I can't find a compelling reason for a member of the audience to heckle/shout out instead of waiting until the end to raise their queries/concerns. Can anybody explain this discrepancy?
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