Wine Developers Fight Over PulseAudio Driver

[gilboa]

I have no illusions that Ubuntu will drop PA. If PA works for you, bless you. But I will always remember what PA does to me, from scratchy audio to phantom audio drops to whatever the hell it wants to do. I have better things to do than worry about PA.

I don't really give a crap about who 'won'. I'll just rip out PA on the next distribution I install and use whatever I want. Freedom of choice.

I personally believe that PA will become increasingly hard to rip-out, but as long as it works for you, great.

- Gilboa

[niniendowarrior]

I have no illusions that Ubuntu will drop PA. If PA works for you, bless you. But I will always remember what PA does to me, from scratchy audio to phantom audio drops to whatever the hell it wants to do. I have better things to do than worry about PA.

I don't really give a crap about who 'won'. I'll just rip out PA on the next distribution I install and use whatever I want. Freedom of choice.

1. I've been using PA exclusively since Fedora 9-10 (?) on >10 desktop machines, with zero issues.
This of-course doesn't necessarily negates your experience, but its just as valid.

2. It's time to give it a rest. PA won, Alsa-clean lost. You may enjoy tweaking alsarc and dmix on a per-application basis, but a vast majority of the Linux user-base don't (hence the exponential increase in PA aware distributions and software).
Granted, you may find like-minded people and find PA-free distributions, but in the current rate of affairs, the selection is rather thin and will only get thinner.

As I doubt that you truly believe that repeating the same rant over and over again will cause Ubuntu or Fedora to drop PA (and I'm not talking about you specifically), you're left with one of two options:
1. Learn how to get PA working for you, or 2. start marking preparation to switch to BSD.

- Gilboa

[Wingfeather]

Well, okay, I was facetious. But I thought my argument (which is really only a gripe with your argument) was quite clear: you state that Pulseaudio is bad simply because it is a daemon. But functionality is going to cost resources one way or another, and being a daemon appears to be the only logical way to implement this particular functionality.

Of course, I am not saying it is free of bugs, because as you point out, people are suffering from them right now. But Pulseaudio's design, at least, will make things work in a way that bare ALSA simply wasn't designed to. When the most pressing bugs are ironed out, linux will finally have a workable, competitive desktop audio system. But ALSA is not that system.

[curaga]

Oh no - not.... DAEMONS! In my opinion Linux should get rid of all the daemons. They are the problem. Especially when they don't make a whole area of Linux usage work automatically and uniformly.

Possibly their functionality should be integrated into the kernel or something.

If you have an actual argument, I'm willing to debate. Again, please go read the previous threads, it's fairly clear that PA does not make audio work "automatically and uniformly".

[Wingfeather]

You yourself wrote up one reason. It's a server, Yet Another Daemon you have to run, wasting resources unneededly.

Oh no - not.... DAEMONS! In my opinion Linux should get rid of all the daemons. They are the problem. Especially when they don't make a whole area of Linux usage work automatically and uniformly.

Possibly their functionality should be integrated into the kernel or something.

[gilboa]

Oh noes - too late! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?p...udio/pkg-descr :-)

At least in theory, if sufficient number of people dislike the way Linux is moving (PA, Systemd, GNOME 3, KDE4, et al) and decide to do something about it (as opposed to writing hate filled rants [1]), they may be able to fork and maintain the old code.
Problem is - 1. vast majority of users don't seem to mind (They may replace GNOME 3 with KDE or XFCE, but they won't switch distro because they hate PA or systemd), 2. People usually default to empty rants.

- Gilboa
[1] http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...818#post285818

[archibald]

2. start marking preparation to switch to BSD.

Oh noes - too late! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?p...udio/pkg-descr :-)

[gilboa]

To me, Pulse Audio is a well-intentioned piece of software that just doesn't work. I have had close to 0 problems running Alsa and the very instant Ubuntu introduced Pulse Audio, it's been nothing but hell. Not ready for prime time is true. But is it just my bad memories of Pulse Audio? Hardly. To this day, it still gives me hell and I have better things to do than fiddle around with this bullsh*t.

1. I've been using PA exclusively since Fedora 9-10 (?) on >10 desktop machines, with zero issues.
This of-course doesn't necessarily negates your experience, but its just as valid.

2. It's time to give it a rest. PA won, Alsa-clean lost. You may enjoy tweaking alsarc and dmix on a per-application basis, but a vast majority of the Linux user-base don't (hence the exponential increase in PA aware distributions and software).
Granted, you may find like-minded people and find PA-free distributions, but in the current rate of affairs, the selection is rather thin and will only get thinner.

As I doubt that you truly believe that repeating the same rant over and over again will cause Ubuntu or Fedora to drop PA (and I'm not talking about you specifically), you're left with one of two options:
1. Learn how to get PA working for you, or 2. start marking preparation to switch to BSD.

- Gilboa

[Lemonzest]

I've had zero problems with PA, but then maybe that's because Mageia and Mandriva before it have good defaults and its all tied in together

[niniendowarrior]

To me, Pulse Audio is a well-intentioned piece of software that just doesn't work. I have had close to 0 problems running Alsa and the very instant Ubuntu introduced Pulse Audio, it's been nothing but hell. Not ready for prime time is true. But is it just my bad memories of Pulse Audio? Hardly. To this day, it still gives me hell and I have better things to do than fiddle around with this bullsh*t.