I just want Wayland to provide a good interface for doing many things.
Make sure it supports multiple output and input devices.
(If somebody has four screens three mouses and two keyboards connected to his/her computer it should also just work.)
Make sure things that can be modular are done so and don't make it difficult to make hardware acceleration for everything.
I'm hoping wayland and other new technologies would allow for relatively long period of stable api's.
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I have only this to say: I'm not spending $100+ on an OS (license) that I'll only use for browsing the web. Yes, you'll pay that much for Windows (or OS X before they became upgrades) if you aren't buying in bulk or OEM licenses. Of course, for the average consumer that cost is subsidised somewhere in the cost of their new computer, or they only need an upgrade which costs some fraction of a new license.
Operating systems with a Linux kernel provide a good alternative to Windows if all you do is browse the web. They may not be the best, but Linux provides a very good base with wide hardware support (including or excluding graphics drivers), and there are usable desktop environments that work ontop of it. Haiku, etc., are good (some would--I might even--say great) alternatives as long as your hardware is supported, but if it isn't then what do you fall back on? Either Linux, a BSD, OS X (almost, or really not an option for 3rd party hardware) or Windows.Last edited by Nobu; 08 April 2012, 04:58 PM.
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Originally posted by RealNC View PostGive a Windows or Mac user anything else than Gnome or KDE and he's gonna laugh his ass off.
Originally posted by RealNC View PostYeah, 3D sculpting with Blender. What a killer app for multimedia and desktop users. Way to go.
Originally posted by RealNC View PostYou raised the issue, why are you asking me?
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Originally posted by XorEaxEax View PostI make no assumptions as to what other people 'need', but personally I have no need for Gnome or KDE (I run Openbox but there are tons of other VM's). Also you don't need Gnome or KDE to have desktop composite effects.
BS, you are exaggerating the differences in performance, I use Blender quite alot and mostly for 3d sculpting which really takes a toll on the 3d acceleration since you deal with heavily subdivided meshes and I can work just fine with nouveau on a 9600GT card.
If all you wanted was a web browser then why the heck would you use Windows or OSX?
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Originally posted by RealNC View PostThe only people who still run 2D desktops are old-school fanatics who are still stuck with their xterm and think Gnome and KDE are "bloat" no one needs.
Originally posted by RealNC View PostAnd besides, you don't need speed to browse the web. Speed is needed to run 3D applications. Take away the blobs, and Linux joins the club of Haiku and the likes
Originally posted by RealNC View PostReally, if all you want is a web browser, why the heck use Linux then?
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Originally posted by not.sure View PostI think he means doing 2D stuff with the 3D engine on a composited desktop. And 1990ies-designed blobs were never meant to be good at that, while the modern OSS drivers are [meant to]. Just try scrolling firefox with a nvidia blob. Notoriously full of extremely slow software fall-backs.
I agree "right now" we still need blobs. But already in a year from now things might have changed for the better (radeon consolidation, nouveau power management, more capable intel GPUs,...)
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Originally posted by RealNC View PostNo one cares about 2D anymore. All modern desktops are composited. The only people who still run 2D desktops are old-school fanatics who are still stuck with their xterm and think Gnome and KDE are "bloat" no one needs.
I agree "right now" we still need blobs. But already in a year from now things might have changed for the better (radeon consolidation, nouveau power management, more capable intel GPUs,...)
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Originally posted by curaga View Post"Desktop" = mainly web browser, and 2d sucks with the blobs. Therefore I respectfully disagree.
And besides, you don't need speed to browse the web. Speed is needed to run 3D applications. Take away the blobs, and Linux joins the club of Haiku and the likes, not being able to compete with the "big boys" (MS and Apple.) Really, if all you want is a web browser, why the heck use Linux then? The blobs, at least for now and the short-term future, make sure Linux is able to stand as an alternative to Windows.
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Originally posted by RealNC View PostAll I have to say about those two Qualcomm guys: man I'm I glad they're not calling the shots. They're trying hard to kill Linux on the desktop. Take away NVidia's and AMD's drivers and what's left is a graphically under-performing operating system. I don't think they realize that the AMD and NVidia blobs, right now, are what keep high-performance graphics alive on Linux.
I don't like to call people names, which I'm so close to doing here with these two, so I'll just say that they're totally out of touch with reality. You kill the blobs, you kill desktop Linux.
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"Desktop" = mainly web browser, and 2d sucks with the blobs. Therefore I respectfully disagree.
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