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  • Michael
    started a topic Vista Makes Creative Labs Dupe Linux

    Vista Makes Creative Labs Dupe Linux

    If you were hoping to use a Creative X-Fi series sound card under Linux in the near future, think again. Last June we told you that Creative was planning on Q2'2007 for delivering a binary blob to support the X-Fi series along with delivering full support for ALSA and OpenAL v1.1 with EAX effects. Creative has now updated their open-source page saying that their closed-source X-Fi Linux driver will not even be in a public beta until the end of third quarter or fourth quarter this year. With the beta not even being available until the end of the year, we would be very surprised if Creative Labs will even deliver a stable X-Fi driver this year at all. What's the reason for this delay? It's due to Microsoft's Vista: "It has taken more resources than expect[ed] to redesign our software and drivers for Vista." Keep in mind that the driver they will be delivering to Linux X-Fi owners isn't even open-source.

    It was bad enough when it took ATI about six months to deliver a Radeon X1000 "R500" Linux driver, but it will be over two years since Creative first introduced the X-Fi series and we still have no Linux support -- thanks to Microsoft Vista.

    According to the ALSA's Sound Card Support Matrix, the Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi series still lacks any form of support from their open-source driver. The only path for Linux support at this time is purchasing the OSS driver from 4Front Technologies, but OSS is only rumored to support the X-Fi Xtreme Audio.
    News Link: http://www.phoronix.com/?page=news_item&px=NTc4NA

    What do you think about Creative's failure? Will you own another Creative Labs sound card?

  • Thetargos
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    there is something I don't quite understand here... E-Mu, IIRC was actually bought up by Creative weren't they? Yet none of their products seem to be currently using the X-Fi DSPs, from what I've been able to see, most of their products are still based off the architecture of the EMU10K*, so this has me wondering... Were they really bought up by Creative or did they simply provided the chips for the Live, Audigy and Audigy2 generations of cards?

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  • Michael
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    Originally posted by Kano View Post
    Then the first post is "half" correct then someone could simply use OSS, it is free - even available as source code. Does it work or not?

    http://developer.opensound.com/
    Last I knew OSS only worked with like the XtremeAudio, their lowest-end X-Fi chip that really isn't even an X-Fi APU.

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  • Kano
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    Then the first post is "half" correct then someone could simply use OSS, it is free - even available as source code. Does it work or not?

    http://developer.opensound.com/

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  • Thetargos
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    Originally posted by MrCanard View Post
    You're right, it's not based off the X-Fi.

    A quote from ExtremeTech http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1562571,00.asp

    "A Little Background"

    "The E-MU crew designed the DSPs that have powered every Creative Sound Blaster sound card since Sound Blaster Live. The first DSP, dubbed the 10K1, featured two 64-voice hardware wavetable synthesizers, in addition to four simultaneous DSP effects in flight at once. Then E-MU produced a derivative processor from the original 10K1 design, the 10K2. 96KHz/24-bit playback was the most noteworthy new feature in this second-generation part."


    You can read what Matrix Talk:Module-emu10k1 is saying here, http://www.alsa-project.org/main/ind...Module-emu10k1
    Wow! Nice review, nice card... Will read that alsa-project link aobout the driver needed (from the looks of it is the snd-emu10k1 module), and the features available to the Linux drivers.

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  • MrCanard
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    You're right, it's not based off the X-Fi.

    A quote from ExtremeTech http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1562571,00.asp

    "A Little Background"

    "The E-MU crew designed the DSPs that have powered every Creative Sound Blaster sound card since Sound Blaster Live. The first DSP, dubbed the 10K1, featured two 64-voice hardware wavetable synthesizers, in addition to four simultaneous DSP effects in flight at once. Then E-MU produced a derivative processor from the original 10K1 design, the 10K2. 96KHz/24-bit playback was the most noteworthy new feature in this second-generation part."


    You can read what Matrix Talk:Module-emu10k1 is saying here, http://www.alsa-project.org/main/ind...Module-emu10k1

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  • Thetargos
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    I'm not familiar with E-Mu products, but I don't think there's many products based off the X-Fi arch.

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  • MrCanard
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    Originally posted by Panix View Post

    I was also thinking of M-Audio but doesn't Creative own them?
    No, E-Mu is part of Creative, but in name only.
    As of three or four months ago a lot of the E-MU line is supported by ALSA.

    I use the E-MU 1212M to A/D lots of vinyl & tape.

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  • Thetargos
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    Originally posted by Panix View Post
    Like?
    I have researched and will mention two possible supported sound cards:
    Audiophile (2496 for e.g.)
    Delta series

    Anybody know of those? Is there any others of particular mention?

    I am interested in a sound card for overall use and in particular, music creation (using instruments).

    I was also thinking of M-Audio but doesn't Creative own them?
    Why don't you check the ALSA sound card support Matrix?

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  • Panix
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    Besides... there are plenty of alternative sound cards that are very well supported under LInux.
    Like?
    I have researched and will mention two possible supported sound cards:
    Audiophile (2496 for e.g.)
    Delta series

    Anybody know of those? Is there any others of particular mention?

    I am interested in a sound card for overall use and in particular, music creation (using instruments).

    I was also thinking of M-Audio but doesn't Creative own them?

    Leave a comment:

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