Reiser4 May Go For Mainline Inclusion In 2010

[Apopas]

I think we know enough. I don't want to know any more details. The sick fuck head killed his wife and no matter how much of a genius file system hero he may be to some I really think people need to come to grips with reality. Stop going to conspiracy sites. Mankind did walk on the moon, 9/11 wasn't carried out by the CIA, and Hans Riser did kill his wife. Get over it.

It's obvious... you know a lot and you have proofs...

[sabriah]

A year ago I thought I could be agnostic in the case of Reiser4. After having read http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/200...iser-guilty-o/ I no longer can:

After the jury left, judge Goodman summed up his opinion of Reiser.

"You are rude," he said. "You are arrogant. There are not enough words in the English language to describe the way you are."

But the jurors found a word on Monday: guilty.

Besides, his buddy was a convicted serial killer named Sean Sturgeon and was not allowed to testify! That sicko was the first sicko's sick wife's lover, no less... What a loathsome pile of ****.

Please, remove the name from all documentation surrounding that file system. That wife appears to have been a sicko too... I loath the very name Reiser.

Call it Gollum or something.

[Adarion]

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I didn't say he did not kill her. I say that there was a story before that lead to the slaying. He didn't kill her out of the blue. It may not justify the killing but I guess all that divorcement and the things that came with it or were before (ex friend being in "conspiracy" with his ex wife working against him and so on) brought him into wrath. Yes, and maybe he was a hothead also before which made him easily fall prey to his feelings. I just want to say that in these cases of murder there are always 2 sides or more, not just one side to consider.
And for his part he went to jail for about 15 years. So guilty he is, he finally admitted, but afair it is a murder 2nd degree. Still a murder but surely he didn't do it for fun.


not the topic of discussion but...
9-11
Ah. And the Sep 11 was such a foul thing. Leaves open too many questions. The heat melted the building's steel support but they found the fricken papers(!) of identity half an hour later?
Ever seen any parts of a plane in the pentagon? Ever seen a plane create such a perfect cut in the building? Why was all the evidence vanished without anyone from outsides having a look at it and all steel wastes brought somewhere to Asia to melt it in just days later? Somebody not wanting to see the world more than the official versions?
How could a plane ever make its way into such guarded areas?
Why the hell did 2 buildings crash down so perfectly that a professional demolisher could not have done better?
All that strange war with the wrong country with these weapons of mass destruction, never found, but a lot of oil? Oops.

Strange, huh? So maybe there was a lot more behind it than just some angry young arab/muslim men.
To quote you: Get over it. Obviously the Bush administration (and the people behind him, weapons industry lobby e.g.) f*cked their own US citizens very tightly. (Surely Obama is not the Messias but I hope for things to improve.)

Not inteded to create a flamewar though.

[sturmflut]

Can we please stop talking about Reiser himself and focus on the file system?

I doubt that Reiser4 will ever be a part of the vanilla kernel. The developers already proved on ReiserFS 3.x that they don't care about maintenance afterwards and critical issues (like the Big Kernel Lock) may only be fixed *years* after.

Reiser4 may have some nice features, but they also introduce an immense amount of complexity, which is bad. It may not be possible to mount an existing filesystem on a different machine because of non-matching plug-in installations. And I think it is better to implement many things (encryption, compression etc.) in a filesystem-agnostic way (dm-raid, dm-crypt, eCryptFS etc.). I want to be able to change to a different filesystem in the future without losing the features.

This has also been the tenor of most kernel developers who denied Reiser4 inclusion over the last six years. Jeff Garzik had a long discussion with Hans Reiser back then (http://kerneltrap.org/node/5330), and none of the patches sent for Reiser4 in the last years adressed any of this.

Some features in Reiser4, like efficient storage of small files and optimized access patterns for hard drives, are present in available Linux filesystems and are even becoming quite unimportant - simple Netbooks come with >30 GB storage nowadays and SSDs do not care about read/write ordering.

[MaestroMaus]

Yeah your right, it's just like the foul thing they did with the Titanic...

[sturmflut]

Can we please stop talking about Reiser himself and focus on the file system?

I doubt that Reiser4 will ever be a part of the vanilla kernel. The developers already proved on ReiserFS 3.x that they don't care about maintenance afterwards and critical issues (like the Big Kernel Lock) may only be fixed *years* after.

Reiser4 may have some nice features, but they also introduce an immense amount of complexity, which is bad. It may not be possible to mount an existing filesystem on a different machine because of non-matching plug-in installations. And I think it is better to implement many things (encryption, compression etc.) in a filesystem-agnostic way (dm-raid, dm-crypt, eCryptFS etc.). I want to be able to change to a different filesystem in the future without losing the features.

This has also been the tenor of most kernel developers who denied Reiser4 inclusion over the last six years. Jeff Garzik had a long discussion with Hans Reiser back then (http://kerneltrap.org/node/5330), and none of the patches sent for Reiser4 in the last years adressed any of this.

Some features in Reiser4, like efficient storage of small files and optimized access patterns for hard drives, are present in available Linux filesystems and are even becoming quite unimportant - simple Netbooks come with >30 GB storage nowadays and SSDs do not care about read/write ordering.

[DuSTman]

Can we please stop talking about Reiser himself and focus on the file system?

I whole-heartedly agree. Computing is a science, and in sciences whether something is true or not depends entirely upon the observed evidence, with the importance of the practitioners deliberately downplayed by the verifiability inherent in the system.

I doubt that Reiser4 will ever be a part of the vanilla kernel. The developers already proved on ReiserFS 3.x that they don't care about maintenance afterwards and critical issues (like the Big Kernel Lock) may only be fixed *years* after.

I follow the Reiser mailing list, and there's been quite a number of kill-the-bkl patches submitted in the past couple of months to Reiser3.

And, when you refer to "the developers", who are you talking about? It rubbed a few people up the wrong way when Namesys switched development resources to reiser4, at the expense of reiser3's maintenance. This was, apparently, done with commercial motivation on the part of Namesys. Namesys doesn't exist any more, and future/current development is being done in the open.

There's the point: any open source project can have its maintainer quit, and Reiser4 is no exception. If the project is important enough then someone will end up taking up the support. This happened with Reiser3, with most new development being done by the Suse guys, and it'd happen with Reiser4 (or any other filesystem) if it gets into sufficiently widespread usage.

Reiser4 may have some nice features, but they also introduce an immense amount of complexity, which is bad. It may not be possible to mount an existing filesystem on a different machine because of non-matching plug-in installations. And I think it is better to implement many things (encryption, compression etc.) in a filesystem-agnostic way (dm-raid, dm-crypt, eCryptFS etc.). I want to be able to change to a different filesystem in the future without losing the features.

Admittedly, yes. Reiser4 is a pretty huge codebase on its own. (70000+ lines if I remember correctly). I've been trying to write a patch to add extended attribute support, but it's a bit bewildering.

More recently, some kernel developers (Andrew Morton) noted that the reason it hasn't been included in the kernel is mostly because no such application has been made in the last few years. (and, not insignificantly, no-one's really keen to do the code review on 70000+ lines)

The bottom line is that Reiser4 is an interesting and unusual filesystem, and I'd really rather not see it fail for non-technical reasons. Unlike the other new filesystems, it's basically done, and has been tested in the wild for years. Compared to developing a new FS like BTRFS from scratch, the effort required to make the "final push" to get Reiser4 in the primetime is minimal. To let this slide now seems like a sad waste.

[yotambien]

Yeah your right, it's just like the foul thing they did with the Titanic...

X-D Ah, THAT was cool. And following links from there I discovered the best page in the Universe, where, among many other interesting things, you can find a 9/11 discussion in similar terms.

Good finding, it made up my day.

[Max Spain]

X-D Ah, THAT was cool. And following links from there I discovered the best page in the Universe, where, among many other interesting things, you can find a 9/11 discussion in similar terms.

Good finding, it made up my day.

Welcome to the Internet

[Jimmy]

Obviously the Bush administration (and the people behind him, weapons industry lobby e.g.) f*cked their own US citizens very tightly. (Surely Obama is not the Messias but I hope for things to improve.)

The way I see it you have one option. Head for Canada. The US government is gonna kill you if you stay. Seriously you can't vote this kind of conspiracy out. People that fucked up and powerful don't just pack up and leave because their leader (Hell bringer Bush and that succubus Laura) left office. You're naive to think that Obama was put into office by some electoral process and not by some diabolical plan at work.

Trust me they are on to you... I'd get the fuck out now. Oh, and stay off the Internet or they'll track you.



Nothing anyone can possibly say will ever change the mind of a conspiracy nut. The best I can hope for is to get a little entertainment out of one by pissing him off (I'm laughing at you).

You know what really happened? Bill Gates had her killed. Seriously. If Linux had such an advanced file system it would shut Windows down today. They didn't want give Riser immortality by making him a martyr so they framed him to discredit him and his work. They then coerced a confession out of him by holding his kids hostage. Follow the money. A few hundred thousand to frame some Joe for murder vs the millions required for patent litigation against Linux. Easy choice. Did you know if you fold a twenty dollar bill just right you can see the chair that was removed from his car? This can't be coincidence.