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  • User29
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2023
    • 253

    #21
    Originally posted by Guiorgy View Post

    +1

    Me too bud.
    +1

    (me3 for the 5 char limit)

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    • ultimA
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2011
      • 294

      #22
      Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

      Technically speaking, limiting speech and restricting what people can and can't do are conservative, right wing values. Codes of Conduct are only seen as left wing because they restrict hate speech and restricting hate speech upsets right wing people. Conservative, right wing people have no problem restricting supposed cuss words on television, regulating sexuality, limiting medical health and what doctors can do, praising the police state and mass deportation and imprisonment programs, limiting access to welfare and food, and more. That's what makes it hard to tell the difference between a right wing person and a racist regardless of what country they're from or the color of their skin -- because they back every freedom limiting initiative that effects everyone that's not themselves.

      It's fun watching y'all conservative right wingers get pissed off when you're forced to have to follow the same rules and regulations as everyone else. Oh my God, actual equality in practice. Oh the horror. Oh the humanity.

      If the Code of Conduct didn't punish y'all for saying words that the Phoronix Auto Moderator flags as hate speech y'all would love it because it's yet another tool to force your will on others. Sucks for them that they can't debate without calling people highly regarded ninjas.
      You've got it wrong. All the examples you've named (mass deportations, limiting people's right, police state, limiting access to food and welfare, and so on...) are not typical for extreme right regimes. Yes they all happened with extreme right regimes, but they all also happened with extreme left regimes. See many past and present communist states/governments. So no, you are wrong claiming that "limiting speech and restricting what people can and can't" are either right or left wing values. Both wings have made good use of these tactics along history.

      Also, even if you were correct, your point is pretty moot. The reason the earlier commenter coined the CoC committee leftist is not for trying to restrict speech. It is because in our day and age it is the left wing's practice to prefer people who make you feel good instead of those who are actually competent, to dictate to be nice if another person you are criticizing has genuinely f**ked up, and to embrace lies about technical or biological facts if they don't resonate with those around you. This has nothing to do with "restricting rights".

      My opinion: Of course we should require everybody to be nice to each other. It it is good if there is a "task force" like a committee that oversees such things and makes sure that people are generally nice to each other. The problem with many such committees though is that they enforce this unconditionally, even when you do have a right and reason to be angry at somebody, or even if it means having to acknowledge inferior solutions to problems.
      Last edited by ultimA; 21 January 2025, 01:03 PM.

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      • amxfonseca
        Phoronix Member
        • Sep 2019
        • 89

        #23
        Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

        Technically speaking, limiting speech and restricting what people can and can't do are conservative, right wing values.
        This would be a worthy comment on Phononix, but unfortunately you are posting it on Moronix, so you are going to get all the hate.

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        • mdedetrich
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2019
          • 2551

          #24
          Originally posted by ihatemichael View Post

          Ts'o is such a chad though, he's not afraid to speak up his mind and call out the bullshit when it comes to the Rust religion.
          You mean how he completely humiliated himself at a conference when he tried to constantly interrupt the speaker with a topic he had no knowledge about and/or would have been answered if he just waited till the next slide?

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          • fong38
            Senior Member
            • May 2022
            • 146

            #25
            Originally posted by ultimA View Post
            The reason the earlier commenter coined the CoC committee leftist is not for trying to restrict speech. It is because in our day and age it is the left wing's practice to prefer people who make you feel good instead of those who are actually competent, to dictate to be nice if another person you are criticizing has genuinely f**ked up, and to embrace lies about technical or biological facts if they don't resonate with those around you. This has nothing to do with "restricting rights".
            Yes. The more someone makes you feel good the more left they are. Until you end up in an orgasm, which is communism. American politics.

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            • Khrundel
              Senior Member
              • May 2016
              • 327

              #26
              Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

              Technically speaking, limiting speech and restricting what people can and can't do are conservative, right wing values.
              All this mess came from usage of broken axis. You will always get paradoxes when speaking in terms of left/right or conservative/progressive. The real axis is totalitarian vs libertarian. Now you think you are free and smart because at last you are allowed to spit on yesterday's shrines while your modern leaders and spiritual sheperds are fighting against evil and harmful speaches to protect modern goverment-approved shrines. In reality totalitarians have replaced tired religion with new one.

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              • skeevy420
                Senior Member
                • May 2017
                • 8717

                #27
                Originally posted by ultimA View Post

                You've got it wrong. All the examples you've named (mass deportations, limiting people's right, police state, limiting access to food and welfare, and so on...) are not typical for extreme right regimes. Yes they all happened with extreme right regimes, but they all also happened with extreme left regimes. See many past and present communist states/governments. So no, you are wrong claiming that "limiting speech and restricting what people can and can't" are either right or left wing values. Both wings have made good use of these tactics along history.
                We both have it wrong due to how we're generalizing so much as simply "left" and "right", "conservative" and "liberal". Take those communist states and governments, they're Far Left In Definition while being Authoritarian In Practice. The problem is that both left and right can fall victim to authoritarianism and it looks the same regardless of having left or right origins once it's in full swing. What it really comes down to is the person's perspective bias towards those in power and their preconceived notions of authoritarianism that may or may not be happening; the difference between viewing the police as "To Protect and Serve" or "All Cops are Bastards".

                Also, even if you were correct, your point is pretty moot. The reason the earlier commenter coined the CoC committee leftist is not for trying to restrict speech. It is because in our day and age it is the left wing's practice to prefer people who make you feel good instead of those who are actually competent, to dictate to be nice if another person you are criticizing has genuinely f**ked up, and to embrace lies about technical or biological facts if they don't resonate with those around you. This has nothing to do with "restricting rights".
                I have a different perspective about all of that, but I have to address what you're saying next in relation to what I just said before I can get around to it . . .

                My opinion: Of course we should require everybody to be nice to each other. It it is good if there is a "task force" like a committee that oversees such things and makes sure that people are generally nice to each other. The problem with many such committees though is that they enforce this unconditionally, even when you do have a right and reason to be angry at somebody, or even if it means having to acknowledge inferior solutions to problems.
                That's the problem about how it comes down to our preconceived notions of authoritarianism. In this case, yes, there is something like a "Be Best Task Force" and, yes, that's what either caused or solved the problem. If you view the situation as Kent agreeing to the Terms and Conditions of the Code of Conduct and then breaking the rules, then the "Be Best Task Force" solved the problem. If you view the situation as the "Be Best Task Force" overstepping their bounds then they're the ones who caused the problem, but, from my perspective, shifting the blame to "Be Best" ignores that Kent did cause a problem and that we're supposed to be OK with a situation where anyone can violate the Terms and Conditions of the Code of Conduct and not be punished because they said "I apologize."

                Anyways, you can call it CoC communist restricted speech, but that's they all agreed on the rules and then to follow them. It isn't restricting rights when you willingly take an oath to restrict yourself. It just makes you an oath breaker when you don't follow the ideals you promised to uphold.

                In some ways you're right, knowing that you won't be called a racial slur or some other derogatory term does make people feel good. It does feel nice to go through life and know that some random person won't call you a fat ass and throw gum in your hair as the school bus drives off or to randomly be groped because you're chubby and have it laughed off because "boys will be boys and he apologized". It can be nice to live in a pleasant society where people are kind and polite to one another and to know that if they do something bad then they'll be punished . . . but I'm an American so that just seems like Fantasy Land with Felon in Chief and his oligarch buddy doing the "Roman Salute".
                Last edited by skeevy420; 21 January 2025, 02:17 PM.

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                • tytso
                  Junior Member
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 48

                  #28
                  Originally posted by avis View Post

                  Stop using ext4 immediately. Rests in Theodore Ts'o's hands.
                  Hardly. There are over a half dozen contributors each kernel release to ext4. These days most my time is spent doing code review and running tests and improving the {kvm,gce,qemu,android}-xfstests test appliance. And I very much rely on 2 or 3 other developers working at SuSE and IBM to help out with the code review.

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                  • avis
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2022
                    • 2278

                    #29
                    Originally posted by tytso View Post

                    Hardly. There are over a half dozen contributors each kernel release to ext4. These days most my time is spent doing code review and running tests and improving the {kvm,gce,qemu,android}-xfstests test appliance. And I very much rely on 2 or 3 other developers working at SuSE and IBM to help out with the code review.
                    I completely forgot you were lurking around here. Thanks for the insight!

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                    • Paper3762
                      Junior Member
                      • May 2023
                      • 21

                      #30
                      Originally posted by Khrundel View Post
                      All this mess came from usage of broken axis. You will always get paradoxes when speaking in terms of left/right or conservative/progressive. The real axis is totalitarian vs libertarian. Now you think you are free and smart because at last you are allowed to spit on yesterday's shrines while your modern leaders and spiritual sheperds are fighting against evil and harmful speaches to protect modern goverment-approved shrines. In reality totalitarians have replaced tired religion with new one.
                      Yeah, this often gets missed. Really that vertical axis is how much commodities are taken out of the commons and used as capital which has been the issue driving enshittification and why open source as an idea is anarchist/libertarian. The left-right divide is on how much capital can be used as a commodity bought and sold on the right, and communally owned on the left. So something like a worker cooperative is libertarian socialist.

                      This is also where the copyleft vs permissive divide exists as copyleft ensures communal ownership whereas permissive allows total ownership of another's work.

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