systemd 257 Debuts With systemd-keyutil & systemd-sbsign Tools, Other Improvements

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  • access
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2019
    • 199

    #31
    If systemd is "a crap load of shit" than what are all those other init systems that are worse? Distro maintainers probably don't like having to fiddle with broken shell scripts and reinventing the wheel for the 1000th time; systemd solves that problem. DE developers got a consistent and sane way to handle a lot of session management and other plumbing instead of hacky shell scripts. Systemd provides something that the people who build and maintain stuff need and that is why it is popular.

    Providing endless permutations of choice is a huge burden, especially for such intricate and complex functionality, so I fully understand why it is not provided.

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    • lowflyer
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2013
      • 917

      #32
      Originally posted by access View Post
      If systemd is "a crap load of shit" than what are all those other init systems that are worse? Distro maintainers probably don't like having to fiddle with broken shell scripts and reinventing the wheel for the 1000th time; systemd solves that problem. DE developers got a consistent and sane way to handle a lot of session management and other plumbing instead of hacky shell scripts. Systemd provides something that the people who build and maintain stuff need and that is why it is popular.

      Providing endless permutations of choice is a huge burden, especially for such intricate and complex functionality, so I fully understand why it is not provided.
      You may have found a point here. There are not that many init systems that are worse than systemd. Some people indeed claim that SysVinit is worse than systemd. Although I don't completely agree with you, I'll grant you that point. I personally would expect Distro maintainers to understand a little bit of scripting. But that's apparently too much to ask these days. Systemd solves that non-problem by taking it out of the hands of Distro maintainers. Mediocre solution - but it apparently works.

      By the way: systemd can also use scripts. Doesn't that make systemd worse than systemd?

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