systemd 257 Debuts With systemd-keyutil & systemd-sbsign Tools, Other Improvements

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  • egorfine
    Junior Member
    • Aug 2014
    • 32

    #21
    Originally posted by caligula View Post
    If systemd is that bad, why would everyone switch to it instead?
    Because LP found himself in the right place at the right time. People were totally fed up with sysv init at the moment.

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    • kapouer
      Junior Member
      • May 2011
      • 23

      #22
      Systemd is a blessing for now. We can fear the day when they will switch to windows and drop support for linux, though.

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      • F.Ultra
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2010
        • 2040

        #23
        Originally posted by shmerl View Post

        Yep, that's the one and I just tested - it does indeed react to any key. Really strange one. What do you think it can be?

        Analyzing the dmesg, I see that delay happens around this:

        Code:
        systemd[1]: Inserted module 'autofs4'
        UPDATE:

        I think I found the culprit: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/35499
        my bad, looks like they indeed integrate with the console.

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        • F.Ultra
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2010
          • 2040

          #24
          Originally posted by egorfine View Post

          This is extremely on-brand with systemd folks. I would be surprised if they have actually used one of the mainstream C implementations of JSON.
          the problem with mainstream JSON parsers is that they handle numbers as floats so it's not possible to use 64-bit integers (if you do, you have to encode them as strings and not as numbers). Plus that it is easier to make a parser secure for random input if the format that you have to decode is tightly specified vs a general JSON parser that have to support all kinds of schemas.

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          • lowflyer
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2013
            • 913

            #25
            Originally posted by caligula View Post
            If systemd is that bad, why would everyone switch to it instead?
            Well, I did not. "Everyone" is not me. And I'm not alone, there are more people out there that are not "everyone". It should be obvious by reading this thread.

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            • intelfx
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2018
              • 1132

              #26
              Originally posted by lowflyer View Post

              Well, I did not. "Everyone" is not me. And I'm not alone, there are more people out there that are not "everyone". It should be obvious by reading this thread.
              OK.

              If systemd is that bad, why would almost everyone switch to it instead?
              ​
              Last edited by intelfx; 13 December 2024, 01:28 AM.

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              • mos87
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2016
                • 445

                #27
                Originally posted by shmerl View Post
                What's the story with systemd
                Originally posted by shmerl View Post
                some recent update in Debian testing started blocking in the middle of the boot
                Originally posted by shmerl View Post
                story with systemd
                Originally posted by shmerl View Post
                Debian testing
                Originally posted by shmerl View Post
                systemd
                Yep.
                ​

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                • shmerl
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 3510

                  #28
                  Originally posted by mos87 View Post
                  Yep​
                  That's supposed to mean something?

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                  • mos87
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2016
                    • 445

                    #29
                    Originally posted by caligula View Post
                    If systemd is that bad, why would everyone switch to it instead?
                    Insane idea that a common init system instead of a museum choke full of handcrafted shell scripts might be beneficial

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                    • lowflyer
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2013
                      • 913

                      #30
                      Originally posted by intelfx View Post

                      OK.

                      If systemd is that bad, why would almost everyone switch to it instead?
                      ​
                      Your assumption is wrong. It is not that "everyone switched to it". Most of the users never had any say in that. It was the distributions (Debian on the forefront) that did the change for them. So any "normal" user "was switched over" - I would say in most of the cases - without even their knowledge.

                      To remain without systemd requires additional research. (well, thinking actually hurts). At the beginning - after Debian surprised the whole community with their decision to abandon the decades-old pragmatic approach of "allowing the user to select" - there were a few dry years where literally no usable distribution would let the user choose. (Not counting the ones where you literally have to puzzle your OS together)

                      I would say there are two main reasons for the proliferation of systemd:
                      1. The tendency of most users sticking with the distro they know
                      2. The swift concerted effort of all main linux distributions to push that change down the throat of their users
                      Fortunately times have changed and more distros have become more sane. More and more people also realize what kind of a crapload of shit this systemd is.

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