Linux 6.13 Adds Support For Ultra Capacity SD Cards "SDUC" For 2TB To 128TB Storage

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  • Weasel
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2017
    • 4434

    #11
    Originally posted by uxmkt View Post
    But that's what Flash Translation Layers are supposed to address. Feels kinda silly to bloat filesystems with more logic.
    Except flash microcontroller CPUs are orders of magnitude weaker than your main CPU so it makes sense to actually move this to your filesystem which utilizes your beefy CPU. Then the microcontroller won't have to do shit. It's also likely it does its job subpar considering its weak processing power (and heat issues), so it takes compromises probably.

    Anyway at 128 TB and with 1 GB/s entire time (which is extremely unlikely given heat constraints) it would take you like a day and a half just to scan this thing once.

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    • Quackdoc
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2020
      • 4976

      #12
      Originally posted by ahrs View Post

      How do you design a filesystem for longevity? There's probably only so many tricks you can do to reduce read/write cycles, the hardware is still going to break at some point. You should expect drives to fail and have a backup for important data. I don't think I'd be using a 128 TB SD card (crazy, if such a thing actually comes to market because that's more storage than conventional SSDs and hard drives have right now) for anything important.
      Technically? I dunno, I know little when it comes to filesystems, however F2FS seems to have done an excellent job with it's goals

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      • TheLexMachine
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2013
        • 417

        #13
        Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
        At these capacities, it makes more sense to format these cards with NTFS on Windows or ext4/xfs on Linux.
        The only purpose of an SDUC card is to serve as recordable media for high-resolution still and video cameras, so it makes no sense to do what you say, as nobody will be using them as full-time computer storage.

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        • oiaohm
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2017
          • 8263

          #14
          Originally posted by TheLexMachine View Post
          The only purpose of an SDUC card is to serve as recordable media for high-resolution still and video cameras, so it makes no sense to do what you say, as nobody will be using them as full-time computer storage.
          Linux world normally does not pay to say nobody. We do have SDXC to compact flash adapters and there are compact flash to sata adapters.. The fun of dongle stacking. Someone at some point will have some adapter for SDUC to something and will put Linux on it this is a basic given. Will it make sense most likely no but they will do it anyhow and it could luck out as full time storage.

          Dmitry.GR: A successful experiment in running real Linux on an 8-bit AVR.


          Kind of like saying that nobody would run Linux on an absolute slow 8 bit micro-controller and then someone goes and proves that wrong. Old saying red flag to bull applies more to Linux people than bulls.

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          • caligula
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2014
            • 3311

            #15
            Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
            At these capacities, it makes more sense to format these cards with NTFS on Windows or ext4/xfs on Linux.
            Indeed, for my cameras and mp3 players I often prefer NTFS with compression and alternate streams or bcachefs. ZFS with transparent compression and inline AES encryption and Reiser4 are also good for those 32-bit digital cameras. ZFS is particularly good for 16-bit mp3 players. Erofs is great for erotic audio books.

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            • oiaohm
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2017
              • 8263

              #16
              Originally posted by caligula View Post
              Erofs is great for erotic audio books.
              That last one I know you did as a joke. There have been a few cheap ebook readers and android devices that have done something really wrong.

              We have customers who report that when our app tries to create and write a file on external SD card there is an I/O exception with EROFS (read-only file system). The path seems it be correct : /s...

              Yes format sd card with erofs. So yes read only in it name is kind of right and wrong it can operate as a append only file system for a while. So yes you can end up with your erotic audio books on Erofs then not be able to delete them quickly because you used particular devices.

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