Upstream Linux Developers Take Aim At TUXEDO's Out-Of-Tree GPLv3 Drivers

[TheMightyBuzzard]

That is a red herring.

Changing any components, whether hard- or software will obviously invalidate the certification.
And GPL in any version does not require certification to stay in tact.

For example the owner of the traffic cam could still use it on private property when they've modified the hardware and/or the software.
GPL v3 would just ensure they can do that with the software the same way they can with the hardware.

Irrelevant entirely with the federal government. They're legally allowed to ignore copyright at their slightest whim.

With regards to local city governments, I tend to trust corporations more. They tend to be at least 50% less corrupt and more honest about their corruption. I mean, they may poison the groundwater but they won't brainwash huge swaths of the population into poisoning it themselves and calling it a moral virtue. Well, except a few like Apple or Google.

[oiaohm]

GPLv3 is an absolute mess and should never be used

Not the case here.

The Problem is patent licensing. GPLv3 "explicit patent protection". Yes Linux kernel used patented technologies and some of these have been licensed to be used in open source as long as the code is GPLv2. Yes only GPLv2.

https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/license-rules.html

Yes this page particularly lists what GPL licenses are Linux kernel compatible. Yes this does not include GPLv3.

Software licensing when mixed with patents turns into a cursed mess.

[Serafean]

in no way you want anyone (except for the manufacturer) to be able to manipulate the software.

You want only select personnel manipulating the software. In no way should that be limited to the manufacturer. The operator (end user) of said speed camera should have the possibility to manipulate the software, while blocking out anyone else (including the manufacturer) from such modifications.
For all market nuts out there, this would allow for competition in the maintenance of these things.

What you're describing is vendor lock-in.

[sophisticles]

If anyone ever had any doubt that the GPL is a worthless cancer of a license, this should dispel it.

The GPL originates from Stallman and the FSF, and all subsequent versions do as well.

It is beyond stupid that the GPL is not backwards compatible with it's own predecessor.

This is what makes Linux and related software half-assed, it's a stupid license, governed by a stupid ideology that doesn't even agree with itself.

Why do people listen to Stallman and follow that stupid license he created?

Because they are all dumbasses, that's why.

Screw the GPL.

[mrg666]

Lenovo, Asus, Dell, etc all have their drivers in the Linux kernel and they play well with Linux kernel development. Tuxedo can do the same or go with the Nvidia way. Or, they can install Windows. I had no plans to buy anything from them anyway. Ah! another option: they can go to hell too.

[mrg666]

If anyone ever had any doubt that the GPL is a worthless cancer of a license, this should dispel it.

The GPL originates from Stallman and the FSF, and all subsequent versions do as well.

It is beyond stupid that the GPL is not backwards compatible with it's own predecessor.

This is what makes Linux and related software half-assed, it's a stupid license, governed by a stupid ideology that doesn't even agree with itself.

Why do people listen to Stallman and follow that stupid license he created?

Because they are all dumbasses, that's why.

Screw the GPL.

You found a spoon and stirring the pot huh? Idiot!

[oiaohm]

If anyone ever had any doubt that the GPL is a worthless cancer of a license, this should dispel it.

The GPL originates from Stallman and the FSF, and all subsequent versions do as well.

One point Stallman and FSF recommend GPL to always be used with the or latter clause. Linux kernel lead developer Linus choose not to do this and those signing off on patent licenses to the Linux kernel were not happy with the or later clause as well.

[TheMightyBuzzard]

You found a spoon and stirring the pot huh? Idiot!

I know, right? I mean, he could at least have put some effort into his trolling. That's amateur stuff and not the good kind like on PH.

[sophisticles]

You found a spoon and stirring the pot huh? Idiot!

The issue is that the spoon and the pot where made by the same people and provided as a bundle.

Now go give 20 Euros to that half-assed GPL'd project of your choice and tell yourself you made a difference in this world.

[pWe00Iri3e7Z9lHOX2Qx]

Lenovo, Asus, Dell, etc all have their drivers in the Linux kernel and they play well with Linux kernel development. Tuxedo can do the same or go with the Nvidia way. Or, they can install Windows. I had no plans to buy anything from them anyway. Ah! another option: they can go to hell too.

I think you missed the part where they do want to upstream all their drivers. We all know what a long and iterative process it can be to get new drivers into mainline. And most of the big PC OEMs do fuck-all to write Linux drivers at all or get them upstreamed. They are almost entirely done by the open source community. Hell, most modern Asus laptops wouldn't work for shit in Linux if it wasn't for Luke Jones. Tuxedo also provides repos for Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, and Fedora. Arch has the packages in AUR. Manjaro includes them in their official repos. I'd say they are doing more than most of the big OEMs to get all of their machines fully working in Linux.