Linux 6.13 To Drop Fieldbus Just Five Years After Being Merged

[OneTimeShot]

NATO has sent everything they got except the absolute minimum they need to keep a normal defence going on day 1 of a conflict. One could ask why not send everything? After all, being up to strength on day1 means nothing when there are no storages to draw upon on day 100. The resources were suicided in ukraine, and at this point it's the game of chairs going on among western officials.

Even the new NATO general admitted that Russian army is 25% stronger today than at the first day of the conflict.

edit: NATO officials have also said that ukraine can continue fighting at most for 6-12 months (before they run out of men to suicide at the front).

LOL - I think your media bubble is showing. NATO's military budget in 2023 was $1.3T. Russia's entire GDP is $2.2T a year. Are you sure NATO is out of stuff? So... as I say, why is NATO, population 973 million, vs Russia, population 150 million aiming for a long-running stalemate?

[varikonniemi]

LOL - I think your media bubble is showing. NATO's military budget in 2023 was $1.3T. Russia's entire GDP is $2.2T a year. Are you sure NATO is out of stuff? So... as I say, why is NATO, population 973 million, vs Russia, population 150 million aiming for a long-running stalemate?

Because NATO has nothing left. They would need to divert to a war economy to do more to help ukraine. And no-one wants that.

Quoting budgets converted to USD is the peak of delusion, Russia gets 10 dollars worth for every ruble dollar they spend. IF you don't want to be completely delusional at least adjust your numbers by PPP, then you are at least in the same ballpark as reality.

[OneTimeShot]

Because NATO has nothing left. They would need to divert to a war economy to do more to help ukraine. And no-one wants that.

Quoting budgets converted to USD is the peak of delusion, Russia gets 10 dollars worth for every ruble dollar they spend. IF you don't want to be completely delusional at least adjust your numbers by PPP, then you are at least in the same ballpark as reality.

LOL - when they do the next 300k conscriptions, or the 300k conscriptions after that, maybe you'll figure it out... This isn't a shooting war, it's an economic war.

[toves]

I would it would have reduced to two questions:

1. is Fieldbus actually used today anywhere?

If not - who then really cares if it is removed?
If yes then

2. Is the Linux implementation of the Fieldbus spec actually used today?

if not - not much point again - sort of like the Bible translated into Klingon.
if yes - then why isn't one the users of this code stepping up to act as maintainer?

[If it were is were in the interest of one of (your choice) the Evil Empires to subvert this code I imagine their agents could recruit a satisfactory quisling to covertly act on behalf of the Empire.]

(Probably a market today for small surveillance cameras for underbed monitoring.

[sophisticles]

According to some "well informed" people on this forum "the world runs on Linux" so I find this hard to believe:

it's not clear how much actual use this code within the mainline Linux kernel is seeing among industrial systems

LOL.

[Volta]

Grow up. Politics and national security have always been a thing and now that the world quite literally runs on code you have to consider both seriously and constantly.

That's why israeli and USA maintainers should be kept as far as possible from the kernel. Next time nietanhuyu will blow up your PC if you're pollitically incorrect. China and Russia are putting backdoors from their original addresses. Yeah, fucking right. Grow up.

[Volta]

According to some "well informed" people on this forum "the world runs on Linux" so I find this hard to believe:

LOL.

It certainly doesn't run on winblows, macose or bsd. So yeah, when comes to general purpose OS'es the World runs on Linux.

[8r34k0u7_57y13]

Why do they need a blog?

I understand the other misgivings, but it's being kicked for not having a social media presence?

[DavidBrown]

I don't work in embedded so I might be talking out of my ass (even more than usual!), but AFAIU this is somewhat industry dependent. E.g. automotive uses CAN bus a lot. There also seems to be a plethora of 'industrial ethernet' standards becoming increasingly popular. Some add just sturdier cabling than the standard optics or twisted pair, but there's also a bunch of stuff for making ethernet usable for real-time and/or safety-critical stuff.

I do work in embedded development - and more importantly, I also work (occasionally) with industrial automation. You are correct here. Ethernet is the dominant technology for all but the cheapest or oldest industrial automation communication over distance. Some of it is quite specialised Ethernet, such as EtherCAT or ProfiNet. In parts of the world where labour is far cheaper than parts, it might still make sense to use something else.

Note that the term "Fieldbus" is often a generic term, but some of the countless "standards" for industrial communications try to claim it for themselves. People who actually do industrial automation don't use the term precisely because it is too meaningless, but there are companies that have it in their marketing and promotion.

[varikonniemi]

LOL - when they do the next 300k conscriptions, or the 300k conscriptions after that, maybe you'll figure it out... This isn't a shooting war, it's an economic war.

I admit you to be right when that happens. But it won't happen, they have more than enough volunteers. And because they have only 10% of the losses what western media tells you, the army will soon be 1.5 million strong which is enough for anything short of world war 3.

About the economy, Russia is growing far faster than the west who are shrinking or struggling. According to world bank Russia recently overtook Japan to become the fourth largest economy in the world. So the economic war is going as bad as the shooting war for the west.