Linux 6.13 To Drop Fieldbus Just Five Years After Being Merged

[varikonniemi]

I think this is pretty naive. Russia is currently voluntarily aligning itself both with North Korea and Iran. That basically means it's going to be joining those countries on the export restrictions list, which includes embargoes on cryptography and modern hardware.

Open Source may be fairly politics-agnostic, but I can guarantee the governments are not. There will be consequences for companies and individuals still working with Russia soon, and probably for the next 10/20 years... That's if you even consider the current situation "political", which most people do not.

It's going to be forgotten in short time, just like in previous conflicts where the west has surrendered and pretended it never happened. The whole conflict is just a manufacture of the faction currently in power, and they won't be for long as the bills come due. North Korea and Iran will soon be unleashed from their shackles.

The future is not one of western hegemony, but a real multipolar system headed by BRICS instead of EUSA/NATO

[OneTimeShot]

It's going to be forgotten in short time, just like in previous conflicts where the west has surrendered and pretended it never happened. The whole conflict is just a manufacture of the faction currently in power, and they won't be for long as the bills come due. North Korea and Iran will soon be unleashed from their shackles.

The future is not one of western hegemony, but a real multipolar system headed by BRICS instead of EUSA/NATO

If you say so... Just remember, the USA and the West was a better friend to Russia since 1991 than China will be to Russia. The rest of the BRICS don't really care if Russia stays is part of their group or not.

[ahrs]

Umm. I don't know what you or said maintainer base that insight on.
Fieldbus and Profibus are like two major players in process control systems.
Fieldbus is also a bit of a misnomer, as that term covers a lot of different protocols.
Anyway. These things do not change a lot. Does not mean they aren't used.

Having come into the thread knowing nothing, I expected something along these lines. Of course, it's being used, probably with systems that were put into place years ago and never changed since. It doesn't surprise me that there's no motivation to review patches for something like this. I could easily see this getting removed and something similar taking its place for the factories of tomorrow, only for it too to get removed from Linux again later down the line.

[Atalanttore]

What if Linus gets paid/forced by Russian secret agencies to implement backdoors? Or is it somehow impossible for non Russians to do evil things?

Linus Torvalds is a proud Finn with a pronounced dislike of the Finnish nemesis of the past, present and most likely the future — Russia.

[milkylainen]

Having come into the thread knowing nothing, I expected something along these lines. Of course, it's being used, probably with systems that were put into place years ago and never changed since. It doesn't surprise me that there's no motivation to review patches for something like this. I could easily see this getting removed and something similar taking its place for the factories of tomorrow, only for it too to get removed from Linux again later down the line.

You do realize that this was upstreamed just 5 years ago, in the literal headline?
If it was unused, nobody would have bothered to upstream it then.
I assure you, it did not go to unused in 5 years.

I think people are just clueless on how the world works and why it works.
Ethernet is 40 years old as a standard (50 years old if you count the labworks). Just as a reference.
Just because it's old doesn't mean it's not used or hasn't been upgraded.

Profibus unit sales are not stagnating. I think around 10M profibus compatible units were sold in 2023.
They keep setting a year on year record for all I know. And that's just one of the fieldbusses.

[varikonniemi]

If you say so... Just remember, the USA and the West was a better friend to Russia since 1991 than China will be to Russia. The rest of the BRICS don't really care if Russia stays is part of their group or not.

I don't know from where this cope is still staying around? maybe just because it was one of the largest geopolitical intelligence blunders of the century for USA. No, BRICS is pretty unified in their alliance, compared to EU/G7

[OneTimeShot]

I don't know from where this cope is still staying around? maybe just because it was one of the largest geopolitical intelligence blunders of the century for USA. No, BRICS is pretty unified in their alliance, compared to EU/G7

Dunno why you think this... The BRICS are a strictly an economic investment grouping for up-and-coming countries and, as far as I can tell, don't see Russia's involvement as a positive at the moment.

At this point, the West just isn't going to back down (it'd be too embarrassing) and the financial costs are tiny as they are spread over so many NATO countries. So really Russia lost the war when the tanks didn't reach Kyiv on day 3.

If Ukraine can shutdown enough of the oil industry, Russia is basically screwed financially in the long term. Also they occasionally blow up bits of the Russia's nuclear early warning system "by mistake", so that isn't a problem for NATO going forward.

[varikonniemi]

Dunno why you think this... The BRICS are a strictly an economic investment grouping for up-and-coming countries and, as far as I can tell, don't see Russia's involvement as a positive at the moment.

At this point, the West just isn't going to back down (it'd be too embarrassing) and the financial costs are tiny as they are spread over so many NATO countries. So really Russia lost the war when the tanks didn't reach Kyiv on day 3.

If Ukraine can shutdown enough of the oil industry, Russia is basically screwed financially in the long term. Also they occasionally blow up bits of the Russia's nuclear early warning system "by mistake", so that isn't a problem for NATO going forward.

You have absolutely no idea about the realities on the ground, clearly living in a reality distortion bubble enacted by western media. Anyhow, this is probably not the right thread to continue this tangent....

[OneTimeShot]

You have absolutely no idea about the realities on the ground, clearly living in a reality distortion bubble enacted by western media. Anyhow, this is probably not the right thread to continue this tangent....

If you say so... we'll see in 5 years' time when it's over, I guess.

Edit: actually parting question for you, because I am interested what your media bubble tells you... NATO could send nothing to Ukraine, and save some money. NATO could go in all guns blazing, and it'd be over by the weekend. Why do you think NATO is sending just about enough weapons to hold Russia off, but not really enough to win?

[varikonniemi]

If you say so... we'll see in 5 years' time when it's over, I guess.

Edit: actually parting question for you, because I am interested what your media bubble tells you... NATO could send nothing to Ukraine, and save some money. NATO could go in all guns blazing, and it'd be over by the weekend. Why do you think NATO is sending just about enough weapons to hold Russia off, but not really enough to win?

NATO has sent everything they got except the absolute minimum they need to keep a normal defence going on day 1 of a conflict. One could ask why not send everything? After all, being up to strength on day1 means nothing when there are no storages to draw upon on day 100, so why not just go all in? Probably because it would be a hard pill to sell to the people.

Even the new NATO general admitted that Russian army is 25% stronger today than at the first day of the conflict.

edit: NATO officials have also said that ukraine can continue fighting at most for 6-12 months (before they run out of men to suicide at the front).

Stop listening to MSM propaganda.