Linux 6.13 To Drop Fieldbus Just Five Years After Being Merged

[Errinwright]

Grow up. Politics and national security have always been a thing and now that the world quite literally runs on code you have to consider both seriously and constantly.

Virtually impossible to exclude anybody from FOSS projects.

[quaz0r]

Oh comment section I adore you so much
From industrial protocols in the lunix kernel to "the russians are coming" on page 1
Can we hit transgenderism by page 2?

[Anux]

Don't say "Become intelligent." and follow that up with some bullshit hypothetical scenario.

What is bullshit about this scenario? Obviously Linus was just an example you can replace that with any dev. Did you miss the whole XZ thing?

Bottom line being that working with sanctioned entities can land Linus and his US-resident lieutenants in court or jail. Whether they, you, or I think this is stupid doesn't matter.

Well Linus didn't seem too bothered with the legal necessities and more eager to kick out those not trustable Russians.

The right reaction would have been to say "We have to exclude them by law and know that this is wrong, we are working on a new way to get out of US law in the future.".

[skeevy420]

Virtually impossible to exclude anybody from FOSS projects.

Just because someone writes some good code doesn't mean a third party FOSS project has to accept it. Not every pull request gets a thumbs up and the thumbs down doesn't have to be a reason that anyone agrees with. You might not like it, but the law is the law and you have to put it into perspective. Violating this isn't like committing a minor crime like walking around with a quarter sack of weed in a place where that's illegal. Violating this is technically a war crime.

[EliasOfWaffle]

Grow up. Politics and national security have always been a thing and now that the world quite literally runs on code you have to consider both seriously and constantly.

"National Security"
"russian backdoors"

Yes i'm understand NSA psyops agent, judicial FISA and PRISM never exist, is not a problem NSA that had controlled and spy all world send code for linux code, but russian or chinese are? good psyops bro, real problems is more about sanctions because a war instead of "national security"

[F.Ultra]

What is bullshit about this scenario? Obviously Linus was just an example you can replace that with any dev. Did you miss the whole XZ thing?


Well Linus didn't seem too bothered with the legal necessities and more eager to kick out those not trustable Russians.

The right reaction would have been to say "We have to exclude them by law and know that this is wrong, we are working on a new way to get out of US law in the future.".

give it a rest, no one was or have been excluded. We are only talking about a few people being removed from the Maintainers file, aka a file used to tell you who to contact if you have a patch to contribute.

[skeevy420]

What is bullshit about this scenario? Obviously Linus was just an example you can replace that with any dev. Did you miss the whole XZ thing?

Because it's some made up scenario that just assumes that Linus is some agent. The XZ thing actually happened. You're just making bullshit up and going "Well they could be doing it to since it happened here." It's ad hominem whataboutism with make believe shit and you're sprinkling in some truth to make it all sound credible.

Well Linus didn't seem too bothered with the legal necessities and more eager to kick out those not trustable Russians.

The right reaction would have been to say "We have to exclude them by law and know that this is wrong, we are working on a new way to get out of US law in the future.".

Over here, to paraphrase, "On the Left you have to be Flawless while on the Right you can be Lawless."

So fucking what if Linus said that? Russia has said worse.

[Yndoendo]

Seems like the Kernel is missing some maintainers, good thing they do all they can to keep every maintainer and not just exclude them because of current politics.

You might think you are applying paradox of tolerance and it is more paradox of entailment.

Your statements have no backing and are bound by emotion instead of logic. This could easily be found out by looking up the previous implementers and seeing if they are part of that excluded group. Showing people from that excluded group wish to maintain this feature. There is not even a defined total number of people that were actively maintaining features of the kernel to indicate the size nor if any where singular specialties in their areas of expertise.

Looks like there is around 2872 maintainers [0] and 11 where recently excluded [1]. That is a loss of 0.383 %. Law of small numbers should apply here. A company that has skin in the game, such as HMS would most likely take up maintenance if they need it mainlined.

Those that self-identity with politicians or political parties have a week emotion intelligence. Those that are independent, don’t self-identity, are critical of all, and just so happen to share some ideas, have a strong emotional intelligence.

Thank you for enlightening me that you wish to be noise in the signal. High probability that Whataboutism is your future too...

[0] https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/late...intainers.html
[1] https://www.tomshardware.com/softwar...pment-steps-in

[OneTimeShot]

What would be the alternatives to FieldBus then? It seems nobody ever uses FieldBus at all.

Presumably it is being done where it should be, as a user space program or library.

I'm really not sure why everything now needs to be done in the Kernel. We've got web servers, display managers, SMB/NFS network connections all in Kernel... It's starting to look like 1990s Windows....

[OneTimeShot]

Seems like the Kernel is missing some maintainers, good thing they do all they can to keep every maintainer and not just exclude them because of current politics.

I think this is pretty naive. Russia is currently voluntarily aligning itself both with North Korea and Iran. That basically means it's going to be joining those countries on the export restrictions list, which includes embargoes on cryptography and modern hardware.

Open Source may be fairly politics-agnostic, but I can guarantee the governments are not. There will be consequences for companies and individuals still working with Russia soon, and probably for the next 10/20 years... That's if you even consider the current situation "political", which most people do not.