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  • waxhead
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    People... It's all about profit. Microsoft's interest in Linux is only about making profit. Linux is also all about making profit. The difference is that company X gets a lot of development for free from company Y and that's what Linux is such a success. So that is what Microsoft is understanding too and want to be a part of.

    Microsoft earned money on a brilliant scheme. Do the job once (which cost a lot) and make a gazillion cheap copies (which cost nearly nothing).

    The subscription model is even better and they can now earn money many times on the same software, and therefore lock-in is essential so that's why they try to shape things to make that possible.

    It's it a bad thing? Maybe not. The Linux development model have proven that no company can fully control everything... Systemd is another question as this is soon a operatingsystem within a operativsystem and thanks to the licensing it can be a nice "vector" for lock-in stuff. If this is the route Microsoft wants to take is another question, but they for sure want to contribute if that helps their goal to minimize cost and secure future profits one way or another.

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  • birdie
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    Originally posted by er888kh View Post

    YES!

    I would say that they are not leaking stuff directly to MS (why would they be interested?), but rather making themselves much more vulnerable.
    Military and intelligence services sometimes have special contracts that will allow them to audit the source code. Other than that, one can be sure that any day, anytime, some three letter agency has a few totally brand new zero-days laying around just in case, and the cost of developing another one would be pretty much negligible for them. That's the reason why we have heard of Stuxnet, Petya, WannaCry (related to Eternal Blue), etc but not so much on the Linux/BSD side. I am not saying Linux is exploit-proof, but it would be a lot costlier to develop some exploit for it and it might need to be much more specialized.



    Some countries are US puppets, while others seriously consider Linux as an option to improve security and reduce cost while decreasing their reliance on US/US companies among other things. Just FYI, it was revealed a few days ago that China is going to change a lot of their government devices to Linux, while Russia did this some time ago, and Turkey has its own distribution. Not to mention all the other countries that are using Linux in their public schools (India and some European countries come to mind) and are using it elsewhere without saying it out loud.
    Thank you for making sure I will never see your posts again. It's pure comedy gold only you're serious and sorry, my brain can't handle this. There's enough propaganda, idiocy, lies and exaggerations in the world to read even more than this in the comments section of the bloody technical website meant for the most intelligent people.

    Just a sidenote: Stuxnet, Petya, WannaCry all used bespoke exploits for Windows developed by the smartest hackers of the world. Linux has a large number of exploits only no one uses its on the desktop so there's nothing to discuss.

    So, first, Windows was a spyware OS, ok, no proofs, now according to you Microsoft specifially leaves security holes in it to be exploited. Oh, boy. Let's talk about the Linux kernel vulnerabilities for a second. Or maybe you like Fedora more? How about 308 vulnerabilities for 2022? Wait, maybe Android is also spyware? And what about iOS? How does that rhyme with intentional security holes in Microsoft products?

    Never mind, I will not discuss this topic any further. It's plain idiocy. I deal with facts, not conspiracies.
    Last edited by birdie; 21 May 2022, 04:11 PM.

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  • You-
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    One of the things that many will benefit with this release is out of the box support for the Elgato Stream Deck. Unless that support has been backported (I cant seem to figure out how to check), using software like BoatSwain or others often required to manually place udev rules in the correct location, but this should not be necessary when distributions update to this release (so September releases).

    Hopefully by then special rules for game controllers will also not be required, but that is more of a moving target with some kernel work also being done.

    (The big one left after these two will be udev rules for OpenRGB. I havent seen much interest to have these moved upstream.)

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  • timofonic
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    Originally posted by birdie View Post

    Conspiracy? Microsoft internally uses a number of Linux distros (they have at least two of their own making), so they probably add features they need themselves.

    Should we cry foul that many open source projects are compiled and distributed for Windows? Web browsers, Blender, LibreOffice, etc.? Is this a conspiracy as well?
    Hey, I was kidding. Or not?

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  • er888kh
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    Originally posted by birdie View Post

    MOAR CONSPIRACIES PLEASE.

    Lunatics are everywhere.
    • Pretty much all the governments in the world use Windows which means they are willingly leaking private info to Microsoft/the US government, right?
    • Pretty much all the intelligence agencies of the world use Windows which means they are willingly leaking state secrets to Microsoft/the US government, right?
    • Pretty much all the serious businesses of the world use Windows and MacOS (to a much less extent) which means they are willingly leaking trade secrets to Microsoft/the US government, right?
    • Windows leaking any info has not been conclusively proven even once during its entire lifetime. I mean you can have all the tools, sniffing, Wireshark, virtual machines, etc. Where are all the proofs??
    Ah, never mind.
    YES!

    I would say that they are not leaking stuff directly to MS (why would they be interested?), but rather making themselves much more vulnerable.
    Military and intelligence services sometimes have special contracts that will allow them to audit the source code. Other than that, one can be sure that any day, anytime, some three letter agency has a few totally brand new zero-days laying around just in case, and the cost of developing another one would be pretty much negligible for them. That's the reason why we have heard of Stuxnet, Petya, WannaCry (related to Eternal Blue), etc but not so much on the Linux/BSD side. I am not saying Linux is exploit-proof, but it would be a lot costlier to develop some exploit for it and it might need to be much more specialized.

    Originally posted by birdie View Post
    they are willingly leaking private info to Microsoft/the US government, right?
    Some countries are US puppets, while others seriously consider Linux as an option to improve security and reduce cost while decreasing their reliance on US/US companies among other things. Just FYI, it was revealed a few days ago that China is going to change a lot of their government devices to Linux, while Russia did this some time ago, and Turkey has its own distribution. Not to mention all the other countries that are using Linux in their public schools (India and some European countries come to mind) and are using it elsewhere without saying it out loud.

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  • birdie
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    Originally posted by rabcor View Post
    Sysupdate sounds like an abomination...



    On windows 10 and up you are part of the US/UN/EU/AU... mass surveillance network on the kernel level. On linux, at least if you pick a decent distro, you're not having absolutely all data on your computer leaked 24/7, just what you do in your browser, and you can quite easily spoof your browser user agent and take a ton of other steps to make yourself either less unique or harder to identify.
    MOAR CONSPIRACIES PLEASE.

    Lunatics are everywhere.
    • Pretty much all the governments in the world use Windows which means they are willingly leaking private info to Microsoft/the US government, right?
    • Pretty much all the intelligence agencies of the world use Windows which means they are willingly leaking state secrets to Microsoft/the US government, right?
    • Pretty much all the serious businesses of the world use Windows and MacOS (to a much less extent) which means they are willingly leaking trade secrets to Microsoft/the US government, right?
    • Windows leaking any info has not been conclusively proven even once during its entire lifetime. I mean you can have all the tools, sniffing, Wireshark, virtual machines, etc. Where are all the proofs??
    Ah, never mind.
    Last edited by birdie; 21 May 2022, 03:10 PM.

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  • user1
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    Originally posted by birdie View Post

    They care ... I'm not even sure about that.
    Haven't you seen at least some people saying that Linux has brought a new life into their old computer? (when using a lightweight distro with DE like Mate or Xfce ofc). I hear such story at least once in a while.

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  • rabcor
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    Sysupdate sounds like an abomination...

    Originally posted by birdie View Post

    I know this was meant to be a joke but absolute most people who switch to Linux from Windows don't care about performance one bit.

    They care ... I'm not even sure about that. To this date I've heard very few solid rational arguments, most often such people talk about "privacy" (the truth is as a Linux user you're a lot more conspicuous and have less privacy due to e.g. your unique webbrowser user agent - as a Windows user you're a lot less unique and lost between very similar one billion devices).
    On windows 10 and up you are part of the US/UN/EU/AU... mass surveillance network on the kernel level. On linux, at least if you pick a decent distro, you're not having absolutely all data on your computer leaked 24/7, just what you do in your browser, and you can quite easily spoof your browser user agent and take a ton of other steps to make yourself either less unique or harder to identify.
    Last edited by rabcor; 21 May 2022, 02:26 PM.

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  • birdie
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    Originally posted by user1 View Post

    Microsoft secretly wants Linux to become more bloated, so that it will stop having the edge over Windows in performance benchmarks and people will stop switching to Linux for performance reasons
    I know this was meant to be a joke but absolute most people who switch to Linux from Windows don't care about performance one bit.

    They care ... I'm not even sure about that. To this date I've heard very few solid rational arguments, most often such people talk about "privacy" (the truth is as a Linux user you're a lot more conspicuous and have less privacy due to e.g. your unique webbrowser user agent - as a Windows user you're a lot less unique and lost between very similar one billion devices).

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  • user1
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    Originally posted by timofonic View Post
    Microsoft engineers working on systemd. This seems like a perfect plot for a conspiracy theory story.
    Microsoft secretly wants Linux to become more bloated, so that it will stop having the edge over Windows in performance benchmarks and people will stop switching to Linux for performance reasons
    Last edited by user1; 21 May 2022, 01:58 PM.

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