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  • birdie
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    Originally posted by andrebrait View Post

    I think you misread the original poster of the message you quoted.

    He said Microsoft developed the file systems, not the drivers for them. The Linux drivers were contributions by others, as you said.

    The original poster is implying Microsoft, which developed the file systems, should also develop drivers for Linux, since they "love Linux and OSS" as their marketing campaigns claim they do. Instead, 3rd parties are left to implement drivers for those technologies, implying Microsoft's "love" is only when it's convenient for them to say they love Linux while focusing on making Linux useable on their platform in ways that appease developers (mainly those who use Linux as a server or development platform) but not contributing to areas that improve its usability as a desktop operating system (such as drivers for those Microsoft file systems).

    EDIT: all those things make sense for Microsoft as a company. Loving Linux doesn't necessarily mean loving it as a replacement for your main OS product, of course. And no one has the obligation to code stuff, any stuff, including drivers for their own file systems. But I do understand why that feels hypocrite and a dick move, overall.
    Just like I said corporations care about Open Source only when it means more profits one way or another. Rewriting the Windows NTFS driver for Linux (the underlying APIs are wildly different, so porting is not an option) doesn't mean any additional profits or goodwill for Microsoft considering ntfs-3g already exists.

    BTW, ntfs-3g can also be considered a dead project. It's not seen any major fixes/new features for at least a couple of years now. It doesn't need any maintenance though considering FUSE unlike the Linux kernel offers stable APIs (it's all in userspace).

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  • andrebrait
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    Originally posted by birdie View Post

    What? These two filesystems are developed only for Windows. Exfat specifications were released by Microsoft but the code was actually contributed by Samsung.
    I think you misread the original poster of the message you quoted.

    He said Microsoft developed the file systems, not the drivers for them. The Linux drivers were contributions by others, as you said.

    The original poster is implying Microsoft, which developed the file systems, should also develop drivers for Linux, since they "love Linux and OSS" as their marketing campaigns claim they do. Instead, 3rd parties are left to implement drivers for those technologies, implying Microsoft's "love" is only when it's convenient for them to say they love Linux while focusing on making Linux useable on their platform in ways that appease developers (mainly those who use Linux as a server or development platform) but not contributing to areas that improve its usability as a desktop operating system (such as drivers for those Microsoft file systems).

    EDIT: all those things make sense for Microsoft as a company. Loving Linux doesn't necessarily mean loving it as a replacement for your main OS product, of course. And no one has the obligation to code stuff, any stuff, including drivers for their own file systems. But I do understand why that feels hypocrite and a dick move, overall.
    Last edited by andrebrait; 26 April 2022, 09:11 AM.

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  • bug77
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    Originally posted by birdie View Post

    "ghosting all of us"? The fuck is wrong with you? Paragon has given us a great working driver which needs minor fixes here and there. OK, Konstantin has stepped away from maintaining it, so fucking what? No one in the fucking community can step up? Just "I vote to remove"?

    For years the whole community asked for a native driver, the one was given with no strings attached, oh, god, no one actually cares or wants to continue developing it.

    Just like two years ago Linus removed the console scrollback buffer in the kernel and ... while hundreds of people lamented it, the feature has not been reimplemented and no one effectively gave a fuck.

    Again, the open source community is either corporations which use it to extract profits or freeloaders who claim they love Open Source while doing effectively nothing for it, not even contributing financially.

    I'm sure as hell, we'd had volunteers willing to do the work, had it been paid. Alas, in the magical Open Source land things appear out of thin air. Oh, wait, they don't.

    Keep on churning accusations against ... Microsoft, NVIDIA, Oracle, etc. etc. etc. Just never look in the mirror.
    Well, you're right for the most part.
    But there is an official maintainer for this and it has apparently gone silent. These discussions need to happen in order to move things forward, whether that means forking or replacing the driver with something else.
    Last edited by bug77; 26 April 2022, 09:32 AM.

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  • birdie
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    Originally posted by microcode View Post
    Gotta say, NTFS-3g is basically fine for most people I think. The performance is good, and I doubt there are many demanding NTFS as a boot volume filesystem on Linux.
    NTFS-3G is known to corrupt volumes when downloading torrents. Maybe it's a very special use case, I dunno.

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  • microcode
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    Gotta say, NTFS-3g is basically fine for most people I think. The performance is good, and I doubt there are many demanding NTFS as a boot volume filesystem on Linux.

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  • kiffmet
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    It could be one of these "the maintainer currently has to deal with personal/health/life issues" things and he'll become responsive again, once he's better. Wouldn't be the first time someone behind an opensource project goes missing for a few weeks without any warning/notice and then returns.

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  • birdie
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    Originally posted by Shagga, Son of Dolf View Post

    NTFS and exFAT are both Microsofts file systems. Microsoft is developing them, Microsoft is deciding where to take them, so they should maintain a driver for it. Especially since they are so vocal telling everybody how the love Linux and OSS now.
    What? These two filesystems are developed only for Windows. Exfat specifications were released by Microsoft but the code was actually contributed by Samsung.

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  • birdie
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    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
    I like to shit on Microsoft and the various evil corporations whenever I get a chance, but how is Paragon releasing a driver and fucking up the long-term support Microsoft's fault? The only reasons I can think of are "they didn't port their driver first" and "they didn't setup and maintain someone else's work for free". If anything, Paragon outta be shamed here for releasing something to mainline Linux and then ghosting all of us.
    "ghosting all of us"? The fuck is wrong with you? Paragon has given us a great working driver which needs minor fixes here and there. OK, Konstantin has stepped away from maintaining it, so fucking what? No one in the fucking community can step up? Just "I vote to remove"?

    For years the whole community asked for a native driver, the one was given with no strings attached, oh, god, no one actually cares or wants to continue developing it.

    Just like two years ago Linus removed the console scrollback buffer in the kernel and ... while hundreds of people lamented it, the feature has not been reimplemented and no one effectively gave a fuck.

    Again, the open source community is either corporations which use it to extract profits or freeloaders who claim they love Open Source while doing effectively nothing for it, not even contributing financially.

    I'm sure as hell, we'd had volunteers willing to do the work, had it been paid. Alas, in the magical Open Source land things appear out of thin air. Oh, wait, they don't.

    Keep on churning accusations against ... Microsoft, NVIDIA, Oracle, etc. etc. etc. Just never look in the mirror.
    Last edited by birdie; 26 April 2022, 08:12 AM.

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  • Shagga, Son of Dolf
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    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post
    I like to shit on Microsoft and the various evil corporations whenever I get a chance, but how is Paragon releasing a driver and fucking up the long-term support Microsoft's fault?
    NTFS and exFAT are both Microsofts file systems. Microsoft is developing them, Microsoft is deciding where to take them, so they should maintain a driver for it. Especially since they are so vocal telling everybody how the love Linux and OSS now.

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  • skeevy420
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    I like to shit on Microsoft and the various evil corporations whenever I get a chance, but how is Paragon releasing a driver and fucking up the long-term support Microsoft's fault? The only reasons I can think of are "they didn't port their driver first" and "they didn't setup and maintain someone else's work for free". If anything, Paragon outta be shamed here for releasing something to mainline Linux and then ghosting all of us.

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