Originally posted by khanich
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The reality is it quite well documented in the gitlab. Pali admits to get abusive with the maintainers. The reality here I have attempted to submit many patches over the years none them have made it in with other developers in the project deciding to solve the problem a different way.
Yes something that people have to be aware of just because you are asked to do something by a maintainer does mean you have to. You have the right to polite say you don't have the time or are willing to work on that.
Yes there are quite a lot of deleted messages the above note explains a lot of them. If where in mailing list you have the death threat email messages people were not just asking why was pali banned and for possible reverse some where threatening in ways that are not just a break of the CoC but are in fact illegal globally. Yes leaving a death threat and other globally illegal actions in messages up is a way to get your project removed from hosting everywhere.
Horrible part about death threats and equal you cannot post who did them to the internet you forward that information to police then you have to leave that in polices hands. Yes you have to delete all copies of the messages from general access this includes informing places like archive.org to remove their copies. So a foolish person doing a death threat causes a maintainer massive amount of work doing what is legally required. This is not doing what the CoC requires this is doing the general laws on this issue mandates globally. Failure to-do so can either see you hosting provider remove your project or your hosting provide themselves losing their connection to the internet.
Most people don't read the different countries telecommunication acts the the terms of usage of a phone line/data cable..... all the possible ways to connect to the internet forbid death threats with the punishment being a ban for usage. Yes it possible to be legally banned from using a phone or internet this is why hosting providers don't mess around with this stuff.
Please note the telecommunication act over a death threat being on line is not just against the person who did death threat but against any party who does not take corrective action to remove death threat from public access. There is a historic one that death threat was printed in a newspaper that the newspaper company had to get every single paper back and destroy it worst part for that paper they failed to get 10 papers out of 60000 for destruction and ceased to be a company with total loss of assets to the government so these laws predate the internet and they are a lot worse for the hosting providers than the individual.
Yes pali asking for everyone who was banned to be unbanned is unreasonable and the maintainers cannot legally agree this because some of those people who got upset with pali being banned has done actions that are illegal and threat to hosting. Yes even pali admits that he got abusive with maintainers but I will give pali this he did not step over the legal line to be a risk hosting being no more problem is some of the people who complained about pali ban absolutely did.
Of course pali so called supporters step into illegal really did not help pali case either they are not support you want as normally makes maintainers more hard line why let pali back when his supporters are going to break the law and threaten project ability to have hosting. Yes this explains why freedesktop and x.org started taking a really hard line and why they were not describing what they were doing. People had stepped over the legal line with death threats and if freedesktop and x.org did not respond hard line the hosting servers for all projects could end up with no internet connection.
Death threat crap end up with very little details and all messages deleted from on-line access. Please note its a different matter for people like me who were part of the mailing list and have own personal archives from the time as we still have the death threat messages and who did them. Please note even that I have the messages I cannot repost them on the internet and I cannot email even in a encrypted achieve other than to law enforcement (even then law enforcement prefers in person delivery) and I cannot send them on paper copies or as usb key encrypted though normal post(or any other transport system to another person) or I will end up breaking the laws around death threats. This highly illegal this is to the horrible point that even if I let you into my house to view the death threats if you are not a licensed private investigator or a police officer or my legal lawyer this can also be offence on my part.
Please be clear I am not blaming pali for the highly illegal messages. But the high illegal messages is why pali request for everyone to be unbanned is impossible and a unreasonable request. The highly illegal nature of those messages mean that the case cannot be made to pali about why they are banned because this would also result in perform illegal actions. The law is a total ass at times.
The CoC a lot of it is just a statement of general globally common law some the globally common laws are like the death threats ones where you have to obey or risk not being on the internet and not being able to use any form of communication. The bigger and simpler you are to find the more likely with these law breaches they will simple cut you off of the internet. Please note when I say any form of communication I mean that yes if you were in the same room as me and and read out what was in some of those death threat messages I will have technically broken the law as well if you are not licensed private investigator or a police officer or my legal lawyer. Yes the USA first amendment does not protect your right to speak the contents of a death threat.
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