No announcement yet.

Mozilla Announces "Open Web Docs" Following Last Year's Layoffs

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #41
    Originally posted by kvuj View Post
    Let's not forget that open source is the embodiment of socialism. Arguing against that means you want us to only use closed source software? No thank you.
    Also how is being against racism and police brutality linked in any way to the mismanagement of a corporation?
    wrong FLOSS does not mean socialism. socialism means the government owns all and you as privat person you own nothing also socialism means planned economy but all this is not the case for FLOSS software
    you are free to sell FLOSS software it means capitalism you can also modify it and also sell it also capitalism.
    if you produce it and sell it to a customer you do not even have to release it in public if your customer also does not release it in public then it is not free beer for all.

    so your idea that GNU/GPL software means socialism is complete bullshit.

    in a real communist system like china you can not even enforce the license because government claims you have no copyright and government owns it all for free.
    Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia


    • #42
      Originally posted by creoflux View Post

      80% discount was too much to commit to for people and their families... so some people have to have experience a 100% discount (layoffs)?
      it is better for fork it and remove all "Managment" people from the project and only real developers should have the right to stay.
      Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia


      • #43
        Originally posted by marios View Post

        I do not understand, do you support the parasites, or the Marxist/socialists? The later fight for a world without parasites, you cant hate both or support both...

        PS. Yes I know, I should not be writing this in a tech forum, but I did not start this discussion.
        so you think there is capitalism and marxism/socialism...

        all modern states are not capitalism and not marxism/socialism they are corporatism the thing what the nazis did in 1933-1945.

        but FLOSS is not marxism/socialism it is also not Corporatism it is some kind of Voluntarism based alliance between the customers and the engineers to cut out the middle man with the name "Managment"
        Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia


        • #44
          Originally posted by Quackdoc View Post
          The idea that germany, sweden, or really any country that has a free market is socialist is absurd.
          But not nearly as absurd as equation FLOSS to socialism. imagine if an open source project was subject to control by the masses. they aren't, forking them IS NOT the same thing.
          I can just imagine it now, the kernel's choices being made by popular demand instead of people who actually know what they are doing.
          ​​​​​​Sociallism requires something to be regulated by the community. which means popular vote. Not only do you suppress minorities. but you supress free development.
          Marxism is just a subset of socialism where the community is restricted to the government. if you can start your own business, hire qualified people of your descretion, spoiler alert you have capitalism, not socialism.
          EDIT: No free market should be completely uninhibited, restrictions against things like monopolies are a good thing. but its still fundementally capitalism.
          Do not mistake social programs, with socialism. they sound the same but they are not the same
          Holy shit you are the first person in this topic who has any Political Education.
          you are right to call germany/sweden a socialist dreamland is complete absurd nonsense.
          also you are right to claim FLOSS is socialism is also complete absurd nonsense.
          and you are right nearly all FLOSS projects like the kernel are not Democratic and not socialistic.
          also you are right that the social progams in germany and sweden IS NOT Marxism/socialism.

          they have in fact Corporatism style of government and they have social progams to take care of the poor but this does not mean that they do not have free market.
          Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia


          • #45
            Originally posted by kvuj View Post
            But socialism is social ownership of the means of production. Not anarchy.
            From wikipedia:
            Taking control of such means automatically requires being able to modify the source code to your liking.
            Unless I'm misunderstanding the situation, in which case please correct me. I'd rather bend my pride and learn instead of being a proud idiot.
            you have misunderstanding in a very simple point: in socialst driven software world you would not have to pay for the code as a customer or if you want to start develop on existing code.

            but in FLOSS world you have to buy the source code and this means capitalism.

            yes you can not only buy the source code from the orginal developer but you can buy the source code from any customer of the orginal source code to thats right but you have to buy the source code.

            so do not mix FLOSS with public code... yes many projects are FLOSS+public code

            like the linux kernel you can buy the linux kernel source code but you can also get it from public source.

            but FLOSS does not FORCE the developers or customers of the code to put it on public for free.

            the only FLOSS like licence who force you to put it in public to download is the: SSPL....

            the SSPL force any customer to also put it in public for free...
            Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia


            • #46
              Originally posted by pal666 View Post
              you are still confusing socialism with democracy. in democracy majority dictates everything. in socialism you can't have private means of production. and btw average socialist country is not democracy, but controlled by terrorist gang who dictates everything
              yes you are right. it is insanity that people want marxism/spcialism.

              my grandfather who was friend with Erwin Rommel and his son Manfred Rommel helped to kill 32 million Russian Communits. and they did it by Democratically elect Adolf Hitler.

              the soviet leaders instead like stalin was never elected in any democratic election.
              Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia


              • #47
                Originally posted by Quackdoc View Post

                If you cannot have private ownership, you have to have public ownership, which means the people own it. IF the people own it. it is a majority rule. If it isn't majority rule, the People DO NOT own it. (In which case it becomes something worse like communism)
                yes but you miss one important point: The Red Nobility....

                in any socialist/communist state after 1-2 generation you have "Red Nobility" because the old leaders of the communist state give the power to their children instead to another person of the society.

                and after the Red Nobility is formed then the normal civilians do no longer own anything because only the Red Nobility owns all.
                Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia


                • #48
                  Originally posted by dirlewanger88
                  Mozilla are just reaping what they sow. Get woke, go broke. If they want a chance to thrive again they need to start hiring way more white males and far fewer activist trannies.
                  absolutely right. only white males do the work and all others are only political activists social justice worriors you call it "Activist Tyrannies"
                  Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia


                  • #49
                    Originally posted by dirlewanger88

                    If you think Marxist thought leaders seek to implement what their propaganda actually talks about, I have a bridge to sell you. Marxism has always been about a certain class of people seizing power by tricking useful idiots with fairytale ideals.
                    absolutly right... they sell a socialist dreamland but nothing what they sell in propaganda is true

                    after generations the socialist/marxist form a "Red Nobility" this means this Red Nobility own all and the other citizens own nothing.

                    this red Nobility just sell propaganda lies to the public just to stay in power.
                    Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia


                    • #50
                      I think you are all a little confused. Some more than others, and many seem to live in so right wind societies that they think that right wind believers claiming "social justice" are in some way leftists. But anyway, I'm not against copyright (not strongly pro either), but copyright is not property. That's a useful lie for some.

                      Socialism and capitalism are economic theories on how to organise the use of material goods (work time, raw materials, manufactured products, etc.). Those are finite means (of production, or means in general). Finite means need to be allocated in some way, in theoretic socialism everyone produces as many goods as he can and everybody gets so many goods as he needs, in theoretic capitalism everyone gets so many goods as he can and everybody works so much as he needs. But that's because this is for finite goods.
                      Immaterial goods that can be copied infinitely for marginal 0 cost, and need only work to exist but not to duplicate, are so intrinsically different from physical goods that capitalism or socialist theory simply does not apply. People living in a system pretending to be capitalist or socialist will pretend to apply it to immaterial goods too, but it simply makes no sense. You don't need to allocate goods that you can duplicate for free. And if the law doesn't allow you to duplicate it for free, or allows you to control who or how, or whether it's secret, that's an artificial construct and besides the point. It's no inherent property of software or information.

                      So no, Free Software is not communist and not capitalist. It's software. It's something else. Health, love, science, air is not socialist or capitalist. Some things are not. Then some people earn money producing immaterial goods in a socialist or capitalist society (not really, societies claiming to be...) and they think that money is real and the product of their work must be just the same as the product of a construction worker or miner or farmer, who get the same kind of money for it (in different quantity maybe). But software is absolutely not what the XIX/XX economic theories intended to organise.