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  • timrichardson
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    Originally posted by kvuj View Post

    But socialism is social ownership of the means of production. Not anarchy.

    From wikipedia...:
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    Copyleft licences such as GPL rely on the concept of private ownership of intellectual property: GPL needs copyright to exist, and I can't see how copyright is very compatible with socialism. It is the very opposite of social ownership.

    Also, open source was invented and prospered in advanced market economies, which is a sign that it creates value in a market-sense. Part of that is due to the licence: you can contribute code, which costs money in terms of developer time, to a project. Your contribution may be extremely valuable to you, such as Facebook's work on low-memory management, but it is useless without the rest of the project of which it is a piece. The licence guarantees that the rest of the project, which enables your contribution, can't be taken away, so it removes the risk of contributing. And if it is cheaper to contribute a few improvements but not reinvent the entire kernel, you get much more bang for your buck. And probably each contribution binds you more tightly to the project. Economically, sustainable open source projects make sense. They are not a socialist enterprise, they are a capitalist enterprise: they are simply more efficient, in a market sense, for some types of projects.

    I am not sure this is true of the former MDN though. Perhaps the documents should have been sent to Wikipedia, which is also thriving, but under a different model. I don't quite know how Wikipedia works as well as it does, but the facts speak for themselves.

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  • eidolon
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    Apologies for a tangential comment, but whenever I read articles about Mozilla, I feel sad and wonder what could have been.

    Phoenix 0.1 was a breath of fresh air for what I perceived at the time as a stagnating Mozilla Organization, but once Firefox was promoted over the Mozilla Application Suite (circa Firefox 0.9), I was worried that Firefox would inherit the organizational heft that had previously suffocated the Mozilla Application Suite. It obviously didn't happen all at once, in fact Mozilla Firefox had notable success for the better part of a decade after it was promoted over the Mozilla Application Suite, but it certainly felt like it was only a matter of time until its momentum was undermined and its fortunes turned; all that was required was the spotlight of genuine competition- enter Google. Arguably the seeds could have been planted as early as when Mozilla Firebird started being referred to as a product rather than a project. Obviously Google has resource levels and leveraged ubiquity that the Mozilla Foundation doesn't, but Mozilla Firefox's decline seems as much do to with internal decision-making as external competition; if it hadn't been Google Chrome that ate Mozilla Firefox's lunch, it would have been some other emerging entity. The end product is only as good as the bureaucracy encompassing it; arguably for many organizations but certainly when it comes to Mozilla Foundation/Corporation, less would be more.

    Several years ago, when it initially looked like Thunderbird might be ejected from the Mozilla Foundation's gravitational hold, I was actually excited for Thunderbird despite the unknowns that it was facing. As for Mozilla Firefox, the only thing that would bring me back is a revolution within Mozilla.
    Last edited by eidolon; 26 January 2021, 12:05 AM.

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  • kvuj
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    Originally posted by wswartzendruber View Post
    Does Mozilla accept contributions from the public? If they do, I'm wondering why we would want to fork Firefox.
    I don't think they do. I'm pretty sure it's a look, but no touchy type of source code.

    Sadly the elephant in the room is that a browser is so complex that only the deep pockets of a multi billion $ company can fund it's development.

    The best approach would be something like what GNOME is doing with Epiphany. Let Apple & others develop the engine and write the rest of the browser with FOSS users in mind. Apple has been nice with webkitgtk, allowing it to live in the official repos, but I doubt Google would ever allow something similar.

    As for Firefox... it's lackluster security and telemetry has put me off a lot. However, with project Fission and some internal privacy rework, I could see myself using it.
    Last edited by kvuj; 25 January 2021, 11:42 PM.

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  • curfew
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    She thought her salary was just fine. Until she heard that someone else was making considerably more.

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  • wswartzendruber
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    Does Mozilla accept contributions from the public? If they do, I'm wondering why we would want to fork Firefox.

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  • computerquip
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    Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
    Mozilla Firefox are going down because of the parasites they have who suck all the money resources.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker

    in 2018 she earns 2,4 Millionen US-Dollar per year it is simple how this parasite operate she gets more money every year and she "keeps firing employees that help improve the community"...

    there is a simple solution for this: FORK Firefox the people who really do the work should FORK firefox and by this they remove the parasites like Mitchell Baker.

    sadly there is no other way to remove such parasites. it is same like the BLM leader of Debian...
    it is time to FORK Debian and by this remove the Marxist/socialists...

    marketshare was down by 85%= """400% payrise"""
    You're hating on her for taking advantage of an unrestricted market, and then condemning a model that would explicitly not allow something like this to happen. I'm not convinced you know what those things are.

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  • board
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    Originally posted by Quackdoc View Post
    Firefox has been lagging behind in all departments in comparison to chromium, Speed, Features, and security. Even if they didn't try to make their wound bigger with the blog post where they advocated de-platforming. they simply cannot keep up as a browser.

    The majority of firefox's user base now is people who don't like chrome(ium) usually because of the spyware.

    If Mozilla had even half a brain left amoung the head honchos that make the decisions. they would spend a lot less effort on miscellaneous junk. and more on their browser. considering it is still their main source of income I believe
    It seems like a lot has to do with mismanagement of resources, but not just the kind that you mentioned: https://www.phoronix.com/forums/foru...89#post1234389

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  • Quackdoc
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    Firefox has been lagging behind in all departments in comparison to chromium, Speed, Features, and security. Even if they didn't try to make their wound bigger with the blog post where they advocated de-platforming. they simply cannot keep up as a browser.

    The majority of firefox's user base now is people who don't like chrome(ium) usually because of the spyware.

    If Mozilla had even half a brain left amoung the head honchos that make the decisions. they would spend a lot less effort on miscellaneous junk. and more on their browser. considering it is still their main source of income I believe

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  • board
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    Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
    In 2018 she received a total of $2,458,350 in compensation from Mozilla, which represents a 400% payrise since 2008
    This is so depressing...

    Forking does sound like a good way to filter out these sorts of people, parasites as you rightly said. Forking such a project as Firefox will undoubtedly take considerable effort. I think it's doable though, if core developers unite and manage to find another way to organize themselves and secure an income. Just look at projects like MariaDB and NextCloud, they became better than the respective original projects. Maybe the same formula can be repeated for Firefox.

    Mozilla also has issues with ehm... what should we call them.. left-leaning ideologues? I wouldn't call myself right-wing as I disagree with a lot of the politics coming out of both the right and the left, I just do not see WHY Bernard Eich (creator of JS and Brave) got kicked out of Mozilla. What they did seems quite extreme and it shows how deeply certain political ideas have gone unchecked and penetrated into the organization. I personally cannot with a good conscious financially support an organization that seeks to promote far-left ideas and choke all of us who just wanted to escape from Google et.al. We got a breath of fresh air from Firefox and Mozilla, we still do, but it feels like it's a matter of time before it starts turning into a political tool to push for ideas that many of us do not agree with.
    Last edited by board; 25 January 2021, 10:18 PM.

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  • elatllat
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    First commit was Sep 15, 2020

    https://github.com/mdn/content/commi...79&branch=main

    so i guess this is just a funding change. Past time google/apple stepped up (microsoft web api was always ok)

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